What a crock of New Age folderol. Of course, since the non-native, primitive population of North America had no grand accomplishments of their own, they must have constructed the Egyptian pyramids, oh and those of South America and China as well. Pure nonsense. I guess the "aliens" carried them across the great waters in thier thunderbirds.
I cannot tell you why or how exactly they built the pyramids but I can tell you who built them and the basic reason for doing so. They were built by the tetraploid humans (giants) who wanted to implement their system of bureaucracy upon us normal diploid humans. They also built Gobekli Tepe, Puma Punku, Stonehenge, Petra and many other megalithic structures that actually encircle the globe.
This is where the “As above, so below” concept comes into play. They want us to implement their system of bureacracy for our civilization. Whenever you go to court you will find this metaphor come into play. God is the judge, Satan is the prosecutor while Lucifer is the compassionate defense who brings light to the subject in question. This is all part of the religious trinity and is more bureaucratic than religious in nature.
You will find pyramids on the Moon, Mars, Ceres, Arctic, Antarctic and many other places on Earth and within our solar system. NASA is well aware of this but will lie about it because they have been told to keep the existence of these tetraploid humans a secret. They fear we will overwhelm and kill them off as has happened in the past.
The tetraploid humans were our ancient gods (Bible, Greek, Roman, Kali, etc.) and are now our modern aliens. They are super-intelligent as welll as super strong. They grow up to fourteen feet in height with a weight of 1100 pounds and a cranial capacity of 2300 cc. I document much of this in my book, Secrets of the Pink Kush where I made this discovery from my work with polyploidism.
Secrets of the Pink Kush provides the complete details about these hidden ones also known as the Serpent People. From their beginnings about 12,000 years ago up to our modern times and where some of them currently reside. It also includes microscopic examination of diploid, triploid and tetraploid cells as well as how to actually create a tetraploid human (or insect, plant, animal) for scientific replication. The only book in the history of the world to finally reveal the trutth about giants. The book provides incontrovertible evidence that giants did and still exist.
Thank you for correcting the erroneous info in this artical Ancient Origins. It just upsets me that our modern world is so full of wrong or outright faked info. One would think that any writer would check out his/her facts before publishing but that seems not to be the “style” today. Instead what I see is many writers just writing “off the cuff” without checking facts first. However, I can understand how the Spirit Cave find(s) could be easily confused with the Kennewick Man find even though they are two different finds in two different areas. So I forgive the author of this article as well.
According to "The Woman with the Alabaster Jar" by Margaret Starbird, The story of Snow White and Rose Red, and other similar fairy tales came out of Medieval Europe as allegories of the loss of the sacred marriage of Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
Nathan James, you are so absolutely correct about the Persians and Greeks did not destroy Phoenicia, but did conquer and subjugate the people in their home base which was considered present day Lebanon. However, I do have some serious doubts about ancient Black Phoenicians who prayed to their “Negroid” image statued supreme Gods such as “Baal” and his son “El” as being ancestors of ancient Carthaginians, based on a “Mythical” story about a princess “Dido” who left her husband in Lebanon to buy a small parcel of land from a Black Berber King, and that small bit of land became ancient Carthaginian empire To me that is like believing in the “Green Man” religion, Zeus who tricked a Phoenician Princess name “Europa” into thinking that he was a bull, then later revealed himself, and the European continent is named after her. So we have these two Black Phoenician Princesses who are involved in two different “Myths”….My belief after doing lots of research is that ancient Carthage had absolutely nothing to do with ancient Phoenician, and I agree with you that they were indeed two different “distinct” groupsof people. Furthermore, Phoenicia was never a single race, or kingdom of people, and that is why they were probably conquered, due to the fact that they were never a united people, and were all quite different, in regards to race, as well as political ideology. It has been reported that Tyre infrastructure was destroyed and rebuilt on several occasions, and that last two groups of people which Tyre shows resemblance are the Romans and the Crusaders, but then, that is a difference between 1000 and 2000 years later...
Actually, you don't have any truthful sources at all to back up your claims with so don't build up an illusion for yourself. You only have propagandic views from your side which me and other historians take as bias.
People has always tried to steal Iranian history and forcefully make it their own but failed, and you're just one of them and you're failing too buddy. You've started a debate you'll never win due to that I have facts on my side, which in my eyes is ridiculously amusing to see how you twist and turn in internaly emotional agony haha! Don't be jealous and sad because you don't have any own history. Your whole Azari culture is based on Iranian culture. It is even a lesser known copy of Iranian culture so you should be really thankful., but instead you're disrespectful. You must hate it when jealousy takes the overhand.
But brainwashing is a serious issue in Azarbaijan, claiming both Iranian factors and also Armenian factors. No wonder Armenians hate you, we understand them. When an ignorant propaganda fed keyboard-warrior like you calls an author who bases his claims and texts on facts and evidence "semi-illiterate", just proves how much nonsense and biased information is in your mind. I pitty you, seriously.
Just to teach you some more:
"Babak Khorramdin (c 795/798-838) was born to a Zoroastrian family of Azerbaijan close to the city of Artavilla (modern Ardabil) in north-western Iran and the southwest Caspian region. The name Babak (also Papak) was the name of the founder of the Sassanian dynasty c 200 CE."
"Babak's campaign, however, was not just a military campaign but one to restore the Persian language and culture"
"Babak Khorrami (bābak khorramī - d. January, 838), Persian leader of the Khorramdini or Khorrami uprising in Northwest of Iran in the early 9th century which engaged the forces of the Arab caliph for twenty years before it was crushed in 837."
"Bābak Khorramdin (Formally known as "Pāpak" meaning "Young Father") (Persian: بابک خرمدین, alternative spelling: Pāpak Khorramdin; 795, according to some other sources 798— January 838[9]) was one of the main Persian[3][10][5][6][7][8] revolutionary leaders of the Iranian[11]Khorram-Dinān[12] ("Those of the joyous religion"), which was a local freedom movement fighting the Abbasid Caliphate."
I don't need Azerbaijani propaganda, as I am Azerbaijani. Great to see an Iranian semi-illiterate to claim ownership of Babek, as you did the same for decades for Nizami Ganjavi.
So called "Atropadegan" is the early name of "Atropatena" (Atropatene in English) which evolved to the word "Azerbaijan" nowadays, so yea, there is no "todays Azerbaijan" - we are the same people. Yes, the satrapy (region) was ruled under Darius The Second, but it doesn't mean it was Persian. And when Alexander the Great invaded, Atropatene was the first to liberate itself and sign agreement with Alexander, as a result of which it remained independent. Much later in 5th century CE, Azerbaijan was still independent and had independent Caucasian identity of its own, with Caucasian Albania ruling the lands. Only after when Persians and Romans started to kick each others asses, Albania first fell to Romans, and subsequently to Persians. The people of the land were speaking the language called "Azeri" which became extinct around 5th century CE (we call our language Azerbaijani, for Historical and Political correctness reasons). The very word "Azer" itself means "Fire", originating from Fire-diety of the region.
So fast forward to Babek era: the man lived in the same lands, whose activities stretched from Ardabil in south to Shemakha in north and Caspian sea on east and Nakhchevan to the west. Modern Armenian sources name him as Bab, Baban; whereas Persians such as yourself name him Papak, however the actual historian who was Babek's contemporary - Al-Masudi - has recorded his name as Hasan and his brother as Abdullah. Even his parents' names, occupations and lives, and how they died have been recorded in Masudi's chronicles.
Not to mention, with 1828's Turkmenchay Treaty (sorry I mixed it with Gulustan Treaty in my original post), Iranians separated Azerbaijan's lands into two, occupying the southern part of it (the south of Araz river). So clearly you'd be extremely biased about this topic. At least, in contrary to your claims, I have historical records to back my arguments up. And today, many international encyclopedias, including Great Russian Encyclopedia, cite Babek's name as Hasan, according to actual historical records.
I could go on and on about my country's history, which would only extend this comment needlessly. I will leave that to your Persian mind to suck it up.
It could be that the three types op people are represented by the three archetype males. As generations go by the number of paternal or Maternal lineages is reduced as dictated by the laws of statistics.
You’re wrong on many points. I understand that you have too much Azerbaijani propaganda in your head but right must be right.
Babak was an ethnic Persian and lived in the Persian land of Atropadegan which was in the northeast territory of Persia (modern day Azarbaijan). People in that area spoke a dialect of Persian at the time of Babak (Turkish language gradually became dominant around 10th and 11th century with the rise of the Seljuks and Ottomans, which isn’t the native lanugage of the area).
What I mean with invading Arabs was that they were of “invading nature”. They were not of the native people of Persia and they clearly didn’t have complete control over all of Persia, with rebellions all over the land.
Babaks real name was not Hassan. I don’t know where you got that nonsense from. His real name was Papak which means “young father” in Persian and which later became Babak due to changes in the Persian vocabulary.
If you read the article, it never states that Babak founded the rebellion, but he was the most successful rebel in the history of post-Islamic Iran. And finally, he had Everything to do with the concept of "Persia" or "Persian" and wanted to liberate the Persian people from the yoke of the Arabs.
Now you know better, until next time, read more and look away from simple propaganda. Thanks.
The concept of fallen women is so foreign to us in this day and age, that it's difficult for us to even understand what was meant by it. A divorced woman was also referred to as a "fallen woman," regardless of what her sex life might be or not be. It really meant being marginalized within the community. What was considered propriety and stability for a woman (as well as for men) was a strict code of conduct. Deviating from it, or even seeming to deviate from it, had enormous repercussions.
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I never have that theory before. thanks tom
Thanks, good things in your future.
Thanks for taking a look.
Highly improbable.
What a crock of New Age folderol. Of course, since the non-native, primitive population of North America had no grand accomplishments of their own, they must have constructed the Egyptian pyramids, oh and those of South America and China as well. Pure nonsense. I guess the "aliens" carried them across the great waters in thier thunderbirds.
"...a barrier to the oncoming patriachal society and to christianity taking hold over Europe."
My friend, by the 1500s both of these had been firmly in place for centuries.
I cannot tell you why or how exactly they built the pyramids but I can tell you who built them and the basic reason for doing so. They were built by the tetraploid humans (giants) who wanted to implement their system of bureaucracy upon us normal diploid humans. They also built Gobekli Tepe, Puma Punku, Stonehenge, Petra and many other megalithic structures that actually encircle the globe.
This is where the “As above, so below” concept comes into play. They want us to implement their system of bureacracy for our civilization. Whenever you go to court you will find this metaphor come into play. God is the judge, Satan is the prosecutor while Lucifer is the compassionate defense who brings light to the subject in question. This is all part of the religious trinity and is more bureaucratic than religious in nature.
You will find pyramids on the Moon, Mars, Ceres, Arctic, Antarctic and many other places on Earth and within our solar system. NASA is well aware of this but will lie about it because they have been told to keep the existence of these tetraploid humans a secret. They fear we will overwhelm and kill them off as has happened in the past.
The tetraploid humans were our ancient gods (Bible, Greek, Roman, Kali, etc.) and are now our modern aliens. They are super-intelligent as welll as super strong. They grow up to fourteen feet in height with a weight of 1100 pounds and a cranial capacity of 2300 cc. I document much of this in my book, Secrets of the Pink Kush where I made this discovery from my work with polyploidism.
Secrets of the Pink Kush provides the complete details about these hidden ones also known as the Serpent People. From their beginnings about 12,000 years ago up to our modern times and where some of them currently reside. It also includes microscopic examination of diploid, triploid and tetraploid cells as well as how to actually create a tetraploid human (or insect, plant, animal) for scientific replication. The only book in the history of the world to finally reveal the trutth about giants. The book provides incontrovertible evidence that giants did and still exist.
An idea once formed exists in consciousness and will be accessible to other minds.
Interesting theory.
Thank you for correcting the erroneous info in this artical Ancient Origins. It just upsets me that our modern world is so full of wrong or outright faked info. One would think that any writer would check out his/her facts before publishing but that seems not to be the “style” today. Instead what I see is many writers just writing “off the cuff” without checking facts first. However, I can understand how the Spirit Cave find(s) could be easily confused with the Kennewick Man find even though they are two different finds in two different areas. So I forgive the author of this article as well.
Highly unlikely and reaching.
According to "The Woman with the Alabaster Jar" by Margaret Starbird, The story of Snow White and Rose Red, and other similar fairy tales came out of Medieval Europe as allegories of the loss of the sacred marriage of Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
stop talking about killing get some candy
Nathan James, you are so absolutely correct about the Persians and Greeks did not destroy Phoenicia, but did conquer and subjugate the people in their home base which was considered present day Lebanon. However, I do have some serious doubts about ancient Black Phoenicians who prayed to their “Negroid” image statued supreme Gods such as “Baal” and his son “El” as being ancestors of ancient Carthaginians, based on a “Mythical” story about a princess “Dido” who left her husband in Lebanon to buy a small parcel of land from a Black Berber King, and that small bit of land became ancient Carthaginian empire To me that is like believing in the “Green Man” religion, Zeus who tricked a Phoenician Princess name “Europa” into thinking that he was a bull, then later revealed himself, and the European continent is named after her. So we have these two Black Phoenician Princesses who are involved in two different “Myths”….My belief after doing lots of research is that ancient Carthage had absolutely nothing to do with ancient Phoenician, and I agree with you that they were indeed two different “distinct” groupsof people. Furthermore, Phoenicia was never a single race, or kingdom of people, and that is why they were probably conquered, due to the fact that they were never a united people, and were all quite different, in regards to race, as well as political ideology. It has been reported that Tyre infrastructure was destroyed and rebuilt on several occasions, and that last two groups of people which Tyre shows resemblance are the Romans and the Crusaders, but then, that is a difference between 1000 and 2000 years later...
Actually, you don't have any truthful sources at all to back up your claims with so don't build up an illusion for yourself. You only have propagandic views from your side which me and other historians take as bias.
People has always tried to steal Iranian history and forcefully make it their own but failed, and you're just one of them and you're failing too buddy. You've started a debate you'll never win due to that I have facts on my side, which in my eyes is ridiculously amusing to see how you twist and turn in internaly emotional agony haha! Don't be jealous and sad because you don't have any own history. Your whole Azari culture is based on Iranian culture. It is even a lesser known copy of Iranian culture so you should be really thankful., but instead you're disrespectful. You must hate it when jealousy takes the overhand.
But brainwashing is a serious issue in Azarbaijan, claiming both Iranian factors and also Armenian factors. No wonder Armenians hate you, we understand them. When an ignorant propaganda fed keyboard-warrior like you calls an author who bases his claims and texts on facts and evidence "semi-illiterate", just proves how much nonsense and biased information is in your mind. I pitty you, seriously.
Just to teach you some more:
"Babak Khorramdin (c 795/798-838) was born to a Zoroastrian family of Azerbaijan close to the city of Artavilla (modern Ardabil) in north-western Iran and the southwest Caspian region. The name Babak (also Papak) was the name of the founder of the Sassanian dynasty c 200 CE."
"Babak's campaign, however, was not just a military campaign but one to restore the Persian language and culture"
http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/sects/babak.htm
"Babak Khorrami (bābak khorramī - d. January, 838), Persian leader of the Khorramdini or Khorrami uprising in Northwest of Iran in the early 9th century which engaged the forces of the Arab caliph for twenty years before it was crushed in 837."
"http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/History/Post-Sasanian/babak_khorrami.htm
"Bābak Khorramdin (Formally known as "Pāpak" meaning "Young Father") (Persian: بابک خرمدین, alternative spelling: Pāpak Khorramdin; 795, according to some other sources 798— January 838[9]) was one of the main Persian[3][10][5][6][7][8] revolutionary leaders of the Iranian[11]Khorram-Dinān[12] ("Those of the joyous religion"), which was a local freedom movement fighting the Abbasid Caliphate."
http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Babak_Khorramdin
If you still remain confused and act like you're a simple fool after all evidence, I'll keep on going. Entertain me ;)
I don't need Azerbaijani propaganda, as I am Azerbaijani. Great to see an Iranian semi-illiterate to claim ownership of Babek, as you did the same for decades for Nizami Ganjavi.
So called "Atropadegan" is the early name of "Atropatena" (Atropatene in English) which evolved to the word "Azerbaijan" nowadays, so yea, there is no "todays Azerbaijan" - we are the same people. Yes, the satrapy (region) was ruled under Darius The Second, but it doesn't mean it was Persian. And when Alexander the Great invaded, Atropatene was the first to liberate itself and sign agreement with Alexander, as a result of which it remained independent. Much later in 5th century CE, Azerbaijan was still independent and had independent Caucasian identity of its own, with Caucasian Albania ruling the lands. Only after when Persians and Romans started to kick each others asses, Albania first fell to Romans, and subsequently to Persians. The people of the land were speaking the language called "Azeri" which became extinct around 5th century CE (we call our language Azerbaijani, for Historical and Political correctness reasons). The very word "Azer" itself means "Fire", originating from Fire-diety of the region.
So fast forward to Babek era: the man lived in the same lands, whose activities stretched from Ardabil in south to Shemakha in north and Caspian sea on east and Nakhchevan to the west. Modern Armenian sources name him as Bab, Baban; whereas Persians such as yourself name him Papak, however the actual historian who was Babek's contemporary - Al-Masudi - has recorded his name as Hasan and his brother as Abdullah. Even his parents' names, occupations and lives, and how they died have been recorded in Masudi's chronicles.
Not to mention, with 1828's Turkmenchay Treaty (sorry I mixed it with Gulustan Treaty in my original post), Iranians separated Azerbaijan's lands into two, occupying the southern part of it (the south of Araz river). So clearly you'd be extremely biased about this topic. At least, in contrary to your claims, I have historical records to back my arguments up. And today, many international encyclopedias, including Great Russian Encyclopedia, cite Babek's name as Hasan, according to actual historical records.
I could go on and on about my country's history, which would only extend this comment needlessly. I will leave that to your Persian mind to suck it up.
tres interessant
It could be that the three types op people are represented by the three archetype males. As generations go by the number of paternal or Maternal lineages is reduced as dictated by the laws of statistics.
You’re wrong on many points. I understand that you have too much Azerbaijani propaganda in your head but right must be right.
Babak was an ethnic Persian and lived in the Persian land of Atropadegan which was in the northeast territory of Persia (modern day Azarbaijan). People in that area spoke a dialect of Persian at the time of Babak (Turkish language gradually became dominant around 10th and 11th century with the rise of the Seljuks and Ottomans, which isn’t the native lanugage of the area).
What I mean with invading Arabs was that they were of “invading nature”. They were not of the native people of Persia and they clearly didn’t have complete control over all of Persia, with rebellions all over the land.
Babaks real name was not Hassan. I don’t know where you got that nonsense from. His real name was Papak which means “young father” in Persian and which later became Babak due to changes in the Persian vocabulary.
If you read the article, it never states that Babak founded the rebellion, but he was the most successful rebel in the history of post-Islamic Iran. And finally, he had Everything to do with the concept of "Persia" or "Persian" and wanted to liberate the Persian people from the yoke of the Arabs.
Now you know better, until next time, read more and look away from simple propaganda. Thanks.
The concept of fallen women is so foreign to us in this day and age, that it's difficult for us to even understand what was meant by it. A divorced woman was also referred to as a "fallen woman," regardless of what her sex life might be or not be. It really meant being marginalized within the community. What was considered propriety and stability for a woman (as well as for men) was a strict code of conduct. Deviating from it, or even seeming to deviate from it, had enormous repercussions.
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