Beowulf and Illiad/Odyssey as audiobooks are among my favorite long drive entertainments. I was introduced to them way back in the dark ages of High School and am thrilled that I got lucky enough to have a great teacher that managed to get an unruly bunch of teens interested in epic poetry. I have always been fascinated by how archeology can turn stories into truths [Schliemann and Troy springs to mind.] Perhaps we will have a Viking Schliemann discovering Beowulf =)
It's my understanding that "Merlin" is not a first name, it is a Druid title, as "He is The Merlin". This explains time-line differences, as there wasn't just one Merlin, there were many, all schooled in the healing and magic arts, and all being Bards.
Thanks for a logical approach, not that the guy above you didn't, but perhaps all there is to the question on timing & so on, is that at this time; all there is to go on is acquired knowledge of burial customs & known migrations. Migrations sometimes are done over vast time periods, for different reasons, likely we'll know more, soon enough. I once went to an archaeology lecture series in Costa Mesa, CA, at a Jewish Temple there which had sponsored the talk, it being on The Exodus. I was amazed at the known history they had, for one, but also surprised that there'd been a few such undertakings, over a couple centuries & Egyption Dynastys. It makes sense tho' , & they had time periods down. The other revelation was Jericho's destruction may have not been that specific place, which was not inhabited at the time, (& much too small for the 3,000 folks s'posed to live there), but a place called 'Ai' , not far from there.( 23 miles? ) It was larger, had the marks of wholesale destruction by massive wall & foundation failures & the usual fires, accompannied by warfare. All things in the past, are interesting. Take care, Mike
regardless of the cultural acceptance of the practice of child molestation in ancient greece, the abuse young men had to endure from disgusting old men was passed on from generation to generation is disgusting. this is one of the more abhorrent aspects
of antiquity, right up there with slavery, raping and pillaging, and human sacrifice.
As the author points out, the petroglyphs in the Negev have not been well studied so no conclusion can be reached as yet. However, I hope it proves either that there was a worldwide civilization or that the Israelites visited America
The Hungarian people speak the Magyar language. Many researchers have assumed that the Magyar people only recently arrived in the Carpathian Basin from Asia. This is not necessarily true for all the Magyar. The Magyar trace their origins back to ancient Nubia. The Arvisurak , an ancient book of the Magyar said that the name Uz was applied to the ancient Magyar, the largest tribe of the Black Huns . Tibor Barath, has given a considerable amount of data which indicates that the Kushites from Nubia, played an important role in the formation of the Magyar. As a result we find that the Magyar/Hungarian language is closely related to African and Dravidian languages. The Proto-Magyar were one of the many ethnic groups which formerly lived in the Fertile African Crescent. They offered prayers to *kan, e.g., Magyar kan, konyorog, Manding kani, and Dravidian ka-n. They also worshipped the god Amon, who they called Anya . The name Maa is found in many Proto-Saharan ethnonyms. For example the Manding called themselves Ma-nde (the children of Ma), the Sumerians called themselves Mah-Gar-ri (exalted God's children), and the Magyar of ancient times referred to themselves as Muh-ger-ri , or Ma-ka-r (exalted children). According to David MacRitchies the most ancient Uralic speakers were called czernii ugris or 'Black Ugris'. The Ugris were also called Hunni. The name Ugrian, is the origin for the word Hungarian. The Hungarians were also called Sabatocospali ,"the Blacks".
The Nubian origin of the Magyar is discussed in these books.
Tibor Barath, The Early Hungarians, Montreal, 1983.
Tibor Barath, Magyar Nepek Ostordenete, Montreal, 1974.
I think humans share a liking for similar patterns and shapes world wide...eventually over time these shapes, patterns, marks, become modified by culture and region. Nothing mysterious at all. Just a kind of evolutionary convergence in cognition.
Then you need to change all the dictionary'and Wikipedia, which state: "Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience that aims to prove the existence of entities from the folklore record, such as Bigfoot or chupacabras, as well ..."
Do you guys think this has anything to do with the huge underground chambers, and the empty sarcophagus Herodotus described, beneath the Egyptian pyramids too? These pyramids are not graves.
Sorry to disapppoint you Mr. Cowrie, but Cryptozoology isn't pseudo-science. If you want to label something pseudo-scientific, start with the theory of evolution or plate tectonics.
Why do you refer to "such a problem" in the original article. There is no problem, just new evidence on human origins has been found which challenges current theories. You seem to be implying some racial motives in the science. These new findings are not "European narratives", only discussion of implications about findings of evidence located in Europe. And the age of these findings.
You then snidely impugn the author's background, which has zero relevance to the findings. You suggest possible "noticeable inconsistencies between what is felt and what is proven" but fail to explain what you mean or what these are. So your supposed superior insight into all this is only vaguely hinted at but otherwise kept secret from the unworthy. Stinks of political correctness, not science or intelligent discussion.
Why oval bullets instead of round ones??? Wouldn't oval bullets tumble in flight and be less accurate than round ones?The Romans must have had a reason to do so as they could have molded spherical bullets just as easily.
Hi Cliff, informative read. Optics and position of the sun and celestial bodies go much further back in history than most think. For example, the Minoans (2500-1500 bce) had rock crystal lenses and their fiasco patterns suggest they had a calendar for the great year, that unifies movement of moon, sun and venus, the palaces have markings for high and low points of the sun, the thrown chair gives direct line of sight to the sun via a water pool to mark the great year. There may be other parallels, but it is becoming obvious that the ancients knew a lot more than the history books tell.
I think these skeletal remains of giants belong to the people. Smithsonian,Governments, or any others hiding their existences form the people of this earth should come up for legal charges if they are discovered as the ones hiding, or destroying these Giant Skeleton bones. The ones who are always lying claiming that the pictures that are discovered, or taken of these Giant Skeleton bones should have to prove it in court instead of making a blanket statement that these Giant Skeleton bones are photo-oped, or done over. Also the ones hiding, or destroying these Giant Skeleton bones should have to face prison time, put to death for hiding the truth from billions of people so that they can doctor up their false evolution, and false sciences claims. Something serious must happen to make a example out of the ones hiding the truth from the people. Maybe, even laws will have to be created to prevent them from getting away with loopholes in the law.
This is an interesting theory, and I'm glad to see science put to the test this way.
You made one error, and that may affect your calculations. Lake Bonneville covered a much larger area than Salt Lake, extending nearly as far as the Idaho State Line and covering the Bonneville Salt Flats and more. It broke through an ice dam and escaped to the sea via the Snake River Valley, much of which was carved out by the rush of water. Because of the larger area, and natural geologic changes, other rivers than the ones for which you did the analysis may have flowed into Lake Bonneville, the residues of which may/could remain in the water today.
While your theory may, in fact, be true, it will be beneficial to clear this up before going further with it.
Quote: "It's always interesting when new thoughts forcefully redirect the origins of mankind towards Eurocentric initiation."
And to me it's always interesting how people always make up stories about that everything is Eurocentric.
Can't you see that the oldest so far evidences of our human past in Africa is dated to 6.7 milion years old, and that the oldest so far evidence outside of Africa was around 2 to 3 million years old. And thus that if these 2 evidences in Greece (jaw) and Bulgaria (premolar) are dated to 7.2 million years old which shows that these are older than those in Africa, then this is simply a scientific conclusion you can base on observation and analysis.
May I honestly ask. Are you African? Because it would certainly explain your answer.
Enfin. This revolutionary find won't change the fact that humans for a good part evolved within Africa, but that the humans originally came from Europe in the Mediterranean. And this might not even be that strange. All the animals that you now find in Africa are from Europe from the Messinian age (the same age that these 2 evidences are dated to). So if these animals migrated to Africa, it might possibly be that humans did too.
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Beowulf and Illiad/Odyssey as audiobooks are among my favorite long drive entertainments. I was introduced to them way back in the dark ages of High School and am thrilled that I got lucky enough to have a great teacher that managed to get an unruly bunch of teens interested in epic poetry. I have always been fascinated by how archeology can turn stories into truths [Schliemann and Troy springs to mind.] Perhaps we will have a Viking Schliemann discovering Beowulf =)
Myths are born from historical events, you should have learnt it so far.
It's my understanding that "Merlin" is not a first name, it is a Druid title, as "He is The Merlin". This explains time-line differences, as there wasn't just one Merlin, there were many, all schooled in the healing and magic arts, and all being Bards.
I remember when "Ancient Origins" offered substantive, non-mythical pieces.
Thanks for a logical approach, not that the guy above you didn't, but perhaps all there is to the question on timing & so on, is that at this time; all there is to go on is acquired knowledge of burial customs & known migrations. Migrations sometimes are done over vast time periods, for different reasons, likely we'll know more, soon enough. I once went to an archaeology lecture series in Costa Mesa, CA, at a Jewish Temple there which had sponsored the talk, it being on The Exodus. I was amazed at the known history they had, for one, but also surprised that there'd been a few such undertakings, over a couple centuries & Egyption Dynastys. It makes sense tho' , & they had time periods down. The other revelation was Jericho's destruction may have not been that specific place, which was not inhabited at the time, (& much too small for the 3,000 folks s'posed to live there), but a place called 'Ai' , not far from there.( 23 miles? ) It was larger, had the marks of wholesale destruction by massive wall & foundation failures & the usual fires, accompannied by warfare. All things in the past, are interesting. Take care, Mike
regardless of the cultural acceptance of the practice of child molestation in ancient greece, the abuse young men had to endure from disgusting old men was passed on from generation to generation is disgusting. this is one of the more abhorrent aspects
of antiquity, right up there with slavery, raping and pillaging, and human sacrifice.
As the author points out, the petroglyphs in the Negev have not been well studied so no conclusion can be reached as yet. However, I hope it proves either that there was a worldwide civilization or that the Israelites visited America
The Hungarian people speak the Magyar language. Many researchers have assumed that the Magyar people only recently arrived in the Carpathian Basin from Asia. This is not necessarily true for all the Magyar. The Magyar trace their origins back to ancient Nubia. The Arvisurak , an ancient book of the Magyar said that the name Uz was applied to the ancient Magyar, the largest tribe of the Black Huns . Tibor Barath, has given a considerable amount of data which indicates that the Kushites from Nubia, played an important role in the formation of the Magyar. As a result we find that the Magyar/Hungarian language is closely related to African and Dravidian languages. The Proto-Magyar were one of the many ethnic groups which formerly lived in the Fertile African Crescent. They offered prayers to *kan, e.g., Magyar kan, konyorog, Manding kani, and Dravidian ka-n. They also worshipped the god Amon, who they called Anya . The name Maa is found in many Proto-Saharan ethnonyms. For example the Manding called themselves Ma-nde (the children of Ma), the Sumerians called themselves Mah-Gar-ri (exalted God's children), and the Magyar of ancient times referred to themselves as Muh-ger-ri , or Ma-ka-r (exalted children). According to David MacRitchies the most ancient Uralic speakers were called czernii ugris or 'Black Ugris'. The Ugris were also called Hunni. The name Ugrian, is the origin for the word Hungarian. The Hungarians were also called Sabatocospali ,"the Blacks".
The Nubian origin of the Magyar is discussed in these books.
Tibor Barath, The Early Hungarians, Montreal, 1983.
Tibor Barath, Magyar Nepek Ostordenete, Montreal, 1974.
I think humans share a liking for similar patterns and shapes world wide...eventually over time these shapes, patterns, marks, become modified by culture and region. Nothing mysterious at all. Just a kind of evolutionary convergence in cognition.
Then you need to change all the dictionary'and Wikipedia, which state: "Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience that aims to prove the existence of entities from the folklore record, such as Bigfoot or chupacabras, as well ..."
So bullets came before gunpowder-powered guns? Cool. Makes perfect sense in retrospect. Thanks science!
Do you guys think this has anything to do with the huge underground chambers, and the empty sarcophagus Herodotus described, beneath the Egyptian pyramids too? These pyramids are not graves.
Sorry to disapppoint you Mr. Cowrie, but Cryptozoology isn't pseudo-science. If you want to label something pseudo-scientific, start with the theory of evolution or plate tectonics.
Why do you refer to "such a problem" in the original article. There is no problem, just new evidence on human origins has been found which challenges current theories. You seem to be implying some racial motives in the science. These new findings are not "European narratives", only discussion of implications about findings of evidence located in Europe. And the age of these findings.
You then snidely impugn the author's background, which has zero relevance to the findings. You suggest possible "noticeable inconsistencies between what is felt and what is proven" but fail to explain what you mean or what these are. So your supposed superior insight into all this is only vaguely hinted at but otherwise kept secret from the unworthy. Stinks of political correctness, not science or intelligent discussion.
Why oval bullets instead of round ones??? Wouldn't oval bullets tumble in flight and be less accurate than round ones?The Romans must have had a reason to do so as they could have molded spherical bullets just as easily.
Hi Cliff, informative read. Optics and position of the sun and celestial bodies go much further back in history than most think. For example, the Minoans (2500-1500 bce) had rock crystal lenses and their fiasco patterns suggest they had a calendar for the great year, that unifies movement of moon, sun and venus, the palaces have markings for high and low points of the sun, the thrown chair gives direct line of sight to the sun via a water pool to mark the great year. There may be other parallels, but it is becoming obvious that the ancients knew a lot more than the history books tell.
I think these skeletal remains of giants belong to the people. Smithsonian,Governments, or any others hiding their existences form the people of this earth should come up for legal charges if they are discovered as the ones hiding, or destroying these Giant Skeleton bones. The ones who are always lying claiming that the pictures that are discovered, or taken of these Giant Skeleton bones should have to prove it in court instead of making a blanket statement that these Giant Skeleton bones are photo-oped, or done over. Also the ones hiding, or destroying these Giant Skeleton bones should have to face prison time, put to death for hiding the truth from billions of people so that they can doctor up their false evolution, and false sciences claims. Something serious must happen to make a example out of the ones hiding the truth from the people. Maybe, even laws will have to be created to prevent them from getting away with loopholes in the law.
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This is an interesting theory, and I'm glad to see science put to the test this way.
You made one error, and that may affect your calculations. Lake Bonneville covered a much larger area than Salt Lake, extending nearly as far as the Idaho State Line and covering the Bonneville Salt Flats and more. It broke through an ice dam and escaped to the sea via the Snake River Valley, much of which was carved out by the rush of water. Because of the larger area, and natural geologic changes, other rivers than the ones for which you did the analysis may have flowed into Lake Bonneville, the residues of which may/could remain in the water today.
While your theory may, in fact, be true, it will be beneficial to clear this up before going further with it.
Thanks for your hard work!
Quote: "It's always interesting when new thoughts forcefully redirect the origins of mankind towards Eurocentric initiation."
And to me it's always interesting how people always make up stories about that everything is Eurocentric.
Can't you see that the oldest so far evidences of our human past in Africa is dated to 6.7 milion years old, and that the oldest so far evidence outside of Africa was around 2 to 3 million years old. And thus that if these 2 evidences in Greece (jaw) and Bulgaria (premolar) are dated to 7.2 million years old which shows that these are older than those in Africa, then this is simply a scientific conclusion you can base on observation and analysis.
May I honestly ask. Are you African? Because it would certainly explain your answer.
Enfin. This revolutionary find won't change the fact that humans for a good part evolved within Africa, but that the humans originally came from Europe in the Mediterranean. And this might not even be that strange. All the animals that you now find in Africa are from Europe from the Messinian age (the same age that these 2 evidences are dated to). So if these animals migrated to Africa, it might possibly be that humans did too.
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