Yet again, another social marxist article that the author does not have the courage to put her/his name to. We come here to read history not political sniping.
The original article was too long to include in one page on this website, so I was asked to separate it into two parts – even then I had to remove some detail. However, that does not alter the fact that the table in the first part is an example of a typical transit calendar for Saturn whereas the table in the second is from data generated by software. The original article can be downloaded in full here http://www.louistalboys.com/patriarch.pdf if it helps. I will have a look in detail at Rydberg’s theory – thank you for that. Let me know if you need me to expand on anything else.
Many of the author's points are worth consideration and debate. What I object to is his use of snark, mockery, put-down, etc. He comes off as an obvious social-justice zealot on a mission, not an unbiased historical classisist - if he thinks of himself as such - and it shows. If one wishes to read an account of ancient Greek views on manly virtues and war that is not contaminated by mocking disdain for supposed "toxic masculinity," I recommend Seven Pressfield's excellent "The Virtues of War," or anything on ancient Greece by Victor Davis Hanson.
As one who fell deeply for Achilles, I have to say that this is a very biased account. There has only ever been Greek Homer's version. If Trojan Cassandra wrote one, it would never have survived. But there was a version of the Aeneid, which I have not read for 60 years. We didn't read the Fall of Troy section at my girls' school
As I recall, Achilles isn't allowed to have been at all fond of Briseis, the prisoner that Agamemnon took from him. It's assumed she was a sexual trophy, but needn't have been. Maybe when Odysseus found Achilles hidden in the women's quarters, he may have been there for quite a while, learning how to get on with female company on his mother's behest, so understood women a lot better than many more macho Greeks. And liked them.
You've purposely misread Peterson as you claim he misread the classics. He is speaking of the difficult to handle manipulation abd deciet of toxic femininity.
I will have to study this more in order to understand it. Right now, I am having trouble with the tables. In part 1 we see these transit days with the astrological signs and in this part there is a table with the patriarchs. The transit days in this one do not match the other. I find it difficult to correlate the two tables in part 1. They really do not match very well. I must be missing something here. There is another article here that deals with the exact same subject matter. http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/there-natural-explanation-unnatur... He relates the ages to this Sothis-cycle of the star Sirius. I had to download the reference article in order to understand that one. Some of his conclusions are similar to yours.
For livestock my ass. You east coasters are clueless. This is the same piss poor excuse used in South Africa for the over one hundred thousand stone circles, look into Michael Tellinger's work. The amount of stones used for these walls is not human.
I didn’t post earlier because I wanted to get more information before I did so. I borrowed this book from Amazon Prime and I’m very disappointed. I only read about half way before giving up. The author does not provide any reasoning for his statements and there are no references for me to check. All I can say is this is just another half baked theory. I love comparative mythology so I was interested in the theory, I just wish he would provide some background. One thing I do know is that according to everything I've ever read, there are no references for a snake in the Garden of the Hesperides. The Garden was simply where Hera kept her golden apples. I did find some of his thoughts slightly entertaining. I would love to read more, if you could provide me with more information about why you think the Greek Olympian gods were the characters in Genesis
If the data in the Babylonian astronomical tablets was the source of the values assigned to the patriarchs in Genesis, it could be that the Jewish exiles presumed it to be a historical account of their patriarchs; they may have incorrectly assigned the content to a list of patriarchs from a different source; or there may have been deliberate intent to construct a history linking them to a respected deity.
I don't get it. Do you mean the Jewish exiles saw the baylonian astronomical tablets and said, "hey this looks cool, let's use it to fake the story of our patriarchs" ??
""Currently, this so-called 'soul boy' designated by Dalai Lama is receiving education, living normally and growing healthily."
-A "reassuring" statement which not only calls for scrutiny but should be a red flag for Buddhists since, at the time this article was written, the Panca Lama would've been 26.
The one of samples , in the Polish Universities Lybrary is the book in Latin written by Stanislaum Kleczewski „ LECHUS HISTORIAE POLONAE RESTITUTUS “ despite this book contains lot of important informations about Lechia , no body make any effort to translate it
I remember the first article you wrote about the Adena people. To see this follow up in regards to Snake Mound, is awesome! Thank you both for including this marvel.
Hi David,
Just picked this up - sorry for delayed response. What you suggest makes so much sense, I too am starting to see that the stories which are often repeated with different names are often referring to constellations and in some cases planetary bodies. This makes complete sense, stories help kids to learn the constellations. The links are great, thanks for the info. Nick
This was an interesting article to read. As a student finishing up at university, I have studied biblical archaeology since it has a long extensive history in the Near East. Of course, I have come across information about the explorations and expeditions for biblical artifacts such as Noah’s Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. While the biblical account for Noah’s Ark is interesting and the Ark has been sought after for centuries, the probability of it still existing is slim and we must examine the context and the information we have about it.
First off, I would like to say that you did a great job at supporting the fact that “high educated people” believe that Noah’s Ark is resting on the top of the 17,000-foot mountain, Mount Ararat. I agree that it is an “illogical and unwarranted assumption,” simply because that account has been debunked repeatedly by researchers. You applied reasoning to the readers by asking them to think about the logicality of landing a ship on a mountain with no suitable habitat for the animals on the Ark. However, then the article and in my opinion, it was not as heavily supported.
The first problem, the location in question – 17 miles south of Mount Ararat – has already been put to through geological surveys and analyses. The “imprints” of the Ark have been determined to be geological formations formed by an earthquake that occurred in 1948. Additionally, the surrounding area was affected by another earthquake in 1978. Even when I looked at the photographs from the area in question, I see geological formations, not evidence of Noah’s Ark.
The second problem is that the Epic of Gilgamesh is cited as support for Noah’s Ark. The Epic of Gilgamesh is a Sumerian epic that was written approximately in 2100 BCE. However, what is important to note is that not only does the epic pre-dates the biblical account of Noah, but also in Gilgamesh 11 the shape of the ark was circular. Therefore, the imprint on the Mount Ararat cannot be Noah’s Ark, if you are supporting the claim with the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Lastly, I just want to point out the pictures of the reliefs that “depict” Ham’s wife, Naamah, are not depicting that at all. Those reliefs are of Inanna, the Sumerian goddess of love, beauty, sex, and war (c. 4000 BCE). She was later adopted by the Akkadians and was referred to as Ishtar; then she was referred to as “The Queen of the Night” during the reign of Hammurabi of Babylon (1792-1750 BCE). It is the same goddess just a different name. I could not find any other information linking Naamah to Inanna outside from the source that was provided. Furthermore, from what I learned in my studies the “mountain hat” is a crown or hat of horns – a common characteristic for Sumerian gods and goddess to be wearing to indicate divinity.
To conclude, I find it highly improbable that we will ever find Noah’s Ark, even though people will keep searching. The simple conclusion is that it is no longer archaeology to be looking for the Ark, it is treasure hunting. I am willing to discuss more on this topic if need to be.
I watched a docu about redhaired people in New Zealand prior to the Maori, having RH negative bloodtype and being bred out because the women lost most of their children. There were still people in the docu who knew this through oral history.
Last time i checked it could not be proven Jesus existed historically. In the gospel of Jude though, Jude says he recognizes Jesus as coming from a different planet. The Jesus being black theory is just that A theory.
You say you are related to all royal houses of Europe. As i understand the entire british royal house has RH negative blood. Possibly skipped a few generations. I would check your child's DNA. For i think i learned a RH positive father and a RH positive mother always have a RH positive child.
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Yet again, another social marxist article that the author does not have the courage to put her/his name to. We come here to read history not political sniping.
Hi Toms
The original article was too long to include in one page on this website, so I was asked to separate it into two parts – even then I had to remove some detail. However, that does not alter the fact that the table in the first part is an example of a typical transit calendar for Saturn whereas the table in the second is from data generated by software. The original article can be downloaded in full here http://www.louistalboys.com/patriarch.pdf if it helps. I will have a look in detail at Rydberg’s theory – thank you for that. Let me know if you need me to expand on anything else.
Many of the author's points are worth consideration and debate. What I object to is his use of snark, mockery, put-down, etc. He comes off as an obvious social-justice zealot on a mission, not an unbiased historical classisist - if he thinks of himself as such - and it shows. If one wishes to read an account of ancient Greek views on manly virtues and war that is not contaminated by mocking disdain for supposed "toxic masculinity," I recommend Seven Pressfield's excellent "The Virtues of War," or anything on ancient Greece by Victor Davis Hanson.
Agreed. But what can you expect from someone whose classical education was watching a Brad Pitt movie?
As one who fell deeply for Achilles, I have to say that this is a very biased account. There has only ever been Greek Homer's version. If Trojan Cassandra wrote one, it would never have survived. But there was a version of the Aeneid, which I have not read for 60 years. We didn't read the Fall of Troy section at my girls' school
As I recall, Achilles isn't allowed to have been at all fond of Briseis, the prisoner that Agamemnon took from him. It's assumed she was a sexual trophy, but needn't have been. Maybe when Odysseus found Achilles hidden in the women's quarters, he may have been there for quite a while, learning how to get on with female company on his mother's behest, so understood women a lot better than many more macho Greeks. And liked them.
You've purposely misread Peterson as you claim he misread the classics. He is speaking of the difficult to handle manipulation abd deciet of toxic femininity.
I will have to study this more in order to understand it. Right now, I am having trouble with the tables. In part 1 we see these transit days with the astrological signs and in this part there is a table with the patriarchs. The transit days in this one do not match the other. I find it difficult to correlate the two tables in part 1. They really do not match very well. I must be missing something here. There is another article here that deals with the exact same subject matter. http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/there-natural-explanation-unnatur... He relates the ages to this Sothis-cycle of the star Sirius. I had to download the reference article in order to understand that one. Some of his conclusions are similar to yours.
For livestock my ass. You east coasters are clueless. This is the same piss poor excuse used in South Africa for the over one hundred thousand stone circles, look into Michael Tellinger's work. The amount of stones used for these walls is not human.
I didn’t post earlier because I wanted to get more information before I did so. I borrowed this book from Amazon Prime and I’m very disappointed. I only read about half way before giving up. The author does not provide any reasoning for his statements and there are no references for me to check. All I can say is this is just another half baked theory. I love comparative mythology so I was interested in the theory, I just wish he would provide some background. One thing I do know is that according to everything I've ever read, there are no references for a snake in the Garden of the Hesperides. The Garden was simply where Hera kept her golden apples. I did find some of his thoughts slightly entertaining. I would love to read more, if you could provide me with more information about why you think the Greek Olympian gods were the characters in Genesis
this is bunk. And mammoths DID have sebaceous glands: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8139826_Sebaceous_Glands_of_the...
Hi Laurent,
If the data in the Babylonian astronomical tablets was the source of the values assigned to the patriarchs in Genesis, it could be that the Jewish exiles presumed it to be a historical account of their patriarchs; they may have incorrectly assigned the content to a list of patriarchs from a different source; or there may have been deliberate intent to construct a history linking them to a respected deity.
I don't get it. Do you mean the Jewish exiles saw the baylonian astronomical tablets and said, "hey this looks cool, let's use it to fake the story of our patriarchs" ??
""Currently, this so-called 'soul boy' designated by Dalai Lama is receiving education, living normally and growing healthily."
-A "reassuring" statement which not only calls for scrutiny but should be a red flag for Buddhists since, at the time this article was written, the Panca Lama would've been 26.
The one of samples , in the Polish Universities Lybrary is the book in Latin written by Stanislaum Kleczewski „ LECHUS HISTORIAE POLONAE RESTITUTUS “ despite this book contains lot of important informations about Lechia , no body make any effort to translate it
I remember the first article you wrote about the Adena people. To see this follow up in regards to Snake Mound, is awesome! Thank you both for including this marvel.
Hi David,
Just picked this up - sorry for delayed response. What you suggest makes so much sense, I too am starting to see that the stories which are often repeated with different names are often referring to constellations and in some cases planetary bodies. This makes complete sense, stories help kids to learn the constellations. The links are great, thanks for the info. Nick
This was an interesting article to read. As a student finishing up at university, I have studied biblical archaeology since it has a long extensive history in the Near East. Of course, I have come across information about the explorations and expeditions for biblical artifacts such as Noah’s Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. While the biblical account for Noah’s Ark is interesting and the Ark has been sought after for centuries, the probability of it still existing is slim and we must examine the context and the information we have about it.
First off, I would like to say that you did a great job at supporting the fact that “high educated people” believe that Noah’s Ark is resting on the top of the 17,000-foot mountain, Mount Ararat. I agree that it is an “illogical and unwarranted assumption,” simply because that account has been debunked repeatedly by researchers. You applied reasoning to the readers by asking them to think about the logicality of landing a ship on a mountain with no suitable habitat for the animals on the Ark. However, then the article and in my opinion, it was not as heavily supported.
The first problem, the location in question – 17 miles south of Mount Ararat – has already been put to through geological surveys and analyses. The “imprints” of the Ark have been determined to be geological formations formed by an earthquake that occurred in 1948. Additionally, the surrounding area was affected by another earthquake in 1978. Even when I looked at the photographs from the area in question, I see geological formations, not evidence of Noah’s Ark.
The second problem is that the Epic of Gilgamesh is cited as support for Noah’s Ark. The Epic of Gilgamesh is a Sumerian epic that was written approximately in 2100 BCE. However, what is important to note is that not only does the epic pre-dates the biblical account of Noah, but also in Gilgamesh 11 the shape of the ark was circular. Therefore, the imprint on the Mount Ararat cannot be Noah’s Ark, if you are supporting the claim with the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Lastly, I just want to point out the pictures of the reliefs that “depict” Ham’s wife, Naamah, are not depicting that at all. Those reliefs are of Inanna, the Sumerian goddess of love, beauty, sex, and war (c. 4000 BCE). She was later adopted by the Akkadians and was referred to as Ishtar; then she was referred to as “The Queen of the Night” during the reign of Hammurabi of Babylon (1792-1750 BCE). It is the same goddess just a different name. I could not find any other information linking Naamah to Inanna outside from the source that was provided. Furthermore, from what I learned in my studies the “mountain hat” is a crown or hat of horns – a common characteristic for Sumerian gods and goddess to be wearing to indicate divinity.
To conclude, I find it highly improbable that we will ever find Noah’s Ark, even though people will keep searching. The simple conclusion is that it is no longer archaeology to be looking for the Ark, it is treasure hunting. I am willing to discuss more on this topic if need to be.
I watched a docu about redhaired people in New Zealand prior to the Maori, having RH negative bloodtype and being bred out because the women lost most of their children. There were still people in the docu who knew this through oral history.
Last time i checked it could not be proven Jesus existed historically. In the gospel of Jude though, Jude says he recognizes Jesus as coming from a different planet. The Jesus being black theory is just that A theory.
You say you are related to all royal houses of Europe. As i understand the entire british royal house has RH negative blood. Possibly skipped a few generations. I would check your child's DNA. For i think i learned a RH positive father and a RH positive mother always have a RH positive child.
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