Knittingen- You clearly don’t understand entropy either. The statement “it's the nature of the universe for everything to go from an ordered state to an unordered state” is even disqualified by your own explanation of events.
The second law of thermodynamics dictates that closed systems regress into entropy. The earth is an open system, the sun being its energy source. How do old buildings and highways, as you mentioned, degrade over time? The earth overtakes them with expressions of growth and complexity, which is the antithesis of entropy (though I agree with your point that it does render the human past into obscurity).
And speaking of the sun, it is the source of earth’s climate change—not carbon. Demonizing carbon does not help the planet, unless you think lining the pockets of politicians amounts to helping the planet. The narrative surrounding this whole issue has reached such idiotic heights that there’s now a push to “stop climate change”. OMF how stupid can people get.
Agree 100%. Check when Switzerland was found. Check when Fall of Acre happened. And check its meaning: The Sisterhood of ISIS. Still doesnt tell you anything? Check at the Flag. If you still cant see it, you need to de-learn all you learnt at school.... :)
Light!
Maybe the story of Noah started when people found structures in the mountains that looked like remainders of boats (as some structures have been found at mount Ararat) and those people concluded that only a HUGE flood could have lifted these structures up that high.
Maybe.... :P
Today, with this whole 'Global Warming' story we often see maps that depict what will happen if temperature rises with a number of degrees. We see that coastal ereas are mostly hit by rising waters and not mountainous areas. So even if there ever was a real big flood some time in history, it's not very logical that a boat ever would land in mountainous ereas.
Science thinks Noah never really existed and the story of Noah possibly only is a metaphorical story. So maybe it's a more interesting question why there are these flood stories and what were their real sources. Even if there were real floods.
In my humble opinion there is a clear connection linking today Oman with hindu Noah, Manu.
I also believe Zagros mountain as being an inicial settling place, and after Abraham (Ibrahim / Brahma) and Sara (Ma Sarathi /Saraswati) an expansion by the time of Isaac (Y'Shak) culminating with the scythians / shakias / sakas and Khazars. Giving birth to the terms Kzar in Russia and ksathriya in India. Satrapas in portuguese and Strat-egos in greek. I do relate all this with Iranian primordial place Airyanem Vaejah.
Don, thanks for the comments and mention of Urartu. I am familiar with Urartu and its changing boundaries over time. I find it interesting that archaeologists have connected Early Transcaucasian Culture with the sites of Godin Tepe and Sangalan (near Alvand mountain in Iran). Thanks to April and Ancient Origins for posting the article. There is much more in the book that I hope you would find interesting. www.bjcorbin.com BJ
Ararat: sacred land or high land; the name of a country on one of the mountains of which the ark rested after the Biblical Flood subsided. The mountains mentioned were probably the Kurdish range of South Armenia. The word is rendered Armenia in the Authorized Version but in the Revised Version Land of Ararat. In Jeremiah 51:27 the name denotes the central or southern portion of Armenia. It is however generally applied to a high and almost inaccessible mountain which rises majestically from the plain of the Araxes (Aras River).
This part of Armenia was inhabited by a people who spoke a language unlike any other now known though it may have been related to the modern Georgian. About 900 BC they borrowed the cuneiform characters of Nineveh.
Their is no correlation between intelligence and morality. Some of the most technically proficient and capable civilizations have been the most brutal and immoral. Read, Nazi Germany, Babylon, the Aztecs, etc.
I don't think you understand entropy--it's the nature of the universe for everything to go from an ordered state to an unordered state. Buildings, dams, mines, etc, require an ordered state...and are all subject to entropy, and thus have a relatively short shelf life.
500 years from now, little or no signs of our own modern civilization would exist, were we to disappear tomorrow. Our buildings would of long since crumbled and our roads would have become dust. Perhaps global warming would be our only lasting legacy, but even that won't last forever.
Nevertheless, there are many instances of civilizations from the ancient past. You just have to -duh- look. Try google.
Thank you, I did not understand that you understood that. It's hard to keep in mind who's arguments are whose.
"Because I have spent countless hours painting faces with all the strange distortions necessary so that when the flat image is wrapped around a three dimemsional face shape, it looks good."
That's what most people don't get when they propose radiation or staining due to herbs--it's just patently silly due to what you say. I don't think a lack of imagination is a character trait of myself but I will confess I can not image anything but fraud that would explain this image, undistorted, on a flat surface. So... on that yes: "lack of imagination!"
I've yet to get anyone here who objects to this observation to simply give this a try.
I agree that seems to be the case. However, since I do not object in any way to that observation--and in fact I completely agree with you on it and have stated this multiple times, I don't understand why you keep bringing it up.
I have done a lot of graphics work on textures for 3D models. When someone builds a three-dimensional model of a character for a game or for digital animation, that model needs textures applied to it. Without textures, the model is basically just a blank mannequin; the textures paint the model and bring it to life.
These textures are often worked on in a 2d environment, as a standard flat digital image in Photoshop or similar software, then later applied by wrapping it around the model.
Sound familiar?
So this is why I do not object to or disagree with what you're saying about the image in the shroud, and why I don't have to carry out your experiment. Because I have spent countless hours painting faces with all the strange distortions necessary so that when the flat image is wrapped around a three dimemsional face shape, it looks good.
Can you accept that I agree with you on this, so we can move past it and adress other points of interest where we may actually have disagreements to debate? This is partially why I said you seem to lack imagination--you don't seem to want to engage with what I'm saying, preferring instead to continually repeat your arguments about the image.
Cultures all over the world have known about witchcraft and have kept the subject tightly held within their belief systems, not just limited to the Abrahamic religions and the Catholic Church. Beliefs about malevolent witchcraft extend beyond these religions. What you are referring to is only one part of witchcraft, the harmless part, which the public gets to see. The dark part, although obscured by this veneer and public ignorance, is just as pervasive as it once was.
"Fused green glass" from the quote sounds to me like it might be the same thing as Moldavite, which is supposed to have been caused by something like a meteor strike almost 15,000,000 years ago and is therefore loosely considered a form of tektite, though its chemical composition is basically that of glass with a few unusual mineral levels... I don't know much about the science behind space object collisions, but whatever happened to create the Moldavian tektite, I'd be interested in a study comparing it with the result of the NM atomic test.
Sorry for going a tad off-topic from the main article, but that bit especially jumped out at me because I was just reading up on tektites last week.
I still think “the biblical Flood” originally should be interpreted as the Milky Way River – and it makes no sense at all to think of Noah´s Ark and all animals, unless this imagery should represent the heavenly ship and all the animals of the zodiac.
It seem to me that the authors of the bible has left out the more specific mytho-celestial informations, which can be found in other cultural myths of creation.
Umm.
The biblical text separates Creation and the Flood by eight extremely long-lived generations, just as is described in the Egyptian mythos, the Sumerian myths, the Assyrian and Babylonian myths, etc.
Last I checked, "book separation" was not considered a valid assessment of the passage of time.
There is no logics in thinking of the Flood as a revenge from the creative deities.
The numerous cultural Myths of Creation of course deals with the ancient known part of the Universe, our Milky Way, which is named in many cultures as “a heavenly river”. This river – or Flood – can be observed “running all AROUND the Earth up in the Sky”, but it is misinterpreted by scholars to “run ON the Earth” which of course distorts the whole mytho-cosmological telling. Read more here – http://www.native-science.net/Flood-Myths.htm
"'In addition, we found evidence of convergent evolution of the Yakutian horse with human populations that live in Siberia and mammoths...'"
These human populations that lived in mammoths... any of them called Jonah? Oh, hang on, no; he lived in Wales, didn't he? ;)
Try parenthesising "that live in Siberia" guys, so we can read that humans and mammoths both lived in Siberia without the need for cross-species penetration, hmm? Otherwise the image remains kind of icky.
It is true that in any believable (read as believed) story or lie there must be a grain of truth, or it would never be believable. Concider, for instance, the roots of the word angel. Ang is a chinese pronunciation of the same meaning as Ank, or life. El is a sufix from the greater reagon as the word Ank, and El means diety or master. Since english is backwards from most languages, the literal english translation of "Angels" is "Masters of Life". Also there is geological evidence of a global flood found in a uniform, world-wide sediment layer. Take these two facts and interpret them as you will.
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Knittingen-
You clearly don’t understand entropy either. The statement “it's the nature of the universe for everything to go from an ordered state to an unordered state” is even disqualified by your own explanation of events.
The second law of thermodynamics dictates that closed systems regress into entropy. The earth is an open system, the sun being its energy source. How do old buildings and highways, as you mentioned, degrade over time? The earth overtakes them with expressions of growth and complexity, which is the antithesis of entropy (though I agree with your point that it does render the human past into obscurity).
And speaking of the sun, it is the source of earth’s climate change—not carbon. Demonizing carbon does not help the planet, unless you think lining the pockets of politicians amounts to helping the planet. The narrative surrounding this whole issue has reached such idiotic heights that there’s now a push to “stop climate change”. OMF how stupid can people get.
Agree 100%. Check when Switzerland was found. Check when Fall of Acre happened. And check its meaning: The Sisterhood of ISIS. Still doesnt tell you anything? Check at the Flag. If you still cant see it, you need to de-learn all you learnt at school.... :)
Light!
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Maybe the story of Noah started when people found structures in the mountains that looked like remainders of boats (as some structures have been found at mount Ararat) and those people concluded that only a HUGE flood could have lifted these structures up that high.
Maybe.... :P
Today, with this whole 'Global Warming' story we often see maps that depict what will happen if temperature rises with a number of degrees. We see that coastal ereas are mostly hit by rising waters and not mountainous areas. So even if there ever was a real big flood some time in history, it's not very logical that a boat ever would land in mountainous ereas.
Science thinks Noah never really existed and the story of Noah possibly only is a metaphorical story. So maybe it's a more interesting question why there are these flood stories and what were their real sources. Even if there were real floods.
In my humble opinion there is a clear connection linking today Oman with hindu Noah, Manu.
I also believe Zagros mountain as being an inicial settling place, and after Abraham (Ibrahim / Brahma) and Sara (Ma Sarathi /Saraswati) an expansion by the time of Isaac (Y'Shak) culminating with the scythians / shakias / sakas and Khazars. Giving birth to the terms Kzar in Russia and ksathriya in India. Satrapas in portuguese and Strat-egos in greek. I do relate all this with Iranian primordial place Airyanem Vaejah.
Peace, chanti, salam, shalom.
Don, thanks for the comments and mention of Urartu. I am familiar with Urartu and its changing boundaries over time. I find it interesting that archaeologists have connected Early Transcaucasian Culture with the sites of Godin Tepe and Sangalan (near Alvand mountain in Iran). Thanks to April and Ancient Origins for posting the article. There is much more in the book that I hope you would find interesting.
www.bjcorbin.com
BJ
Good article by B.J. Corbin and nice photos by Madhi.
I also suggest taking a look at Urartu kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urartu
Ararat: sacred land or high land; the name of a country on one of the mountains of which the ark rested after the Biblical Flood subsided. The mountains mentioned were probably the Kurdish range of South Armenia. The word is rendered Armenia in the Authorized Version but in the Revised Version Land of Ararat. In Jeremiah 51:27 the name denotes the central or southern portion of Armenia. It is however generally applied to a high and almost inaccessible mountain which rises majestically from the plain of the Araxes (Aras River).
This part of Armenia was inhabited by a people who spoke a language unlike any other now known though it may have been related to the modern Georgian. About 900 BC they borrowed the cuneiform characters of Nineveh.
Their is no correlation between intelligence and morality. Some of the most technically proficient and capable civilizations have been the most brutal and immoral. Read, Nazi Germany, Babylon, the Aztecs, etc.
I don't think you understand entropy--it's the nature of the universe for everything to go from an ordered state to an unordered state. Buildings, dams, mines, etc, require an ordered state...and are all subject to entropy, and thus have a relatively short shelf life.
500 years from now, little or no signs of our own modern civilization would exist, were we to disappear tomorrow. Our buildings would of long since crumbled and our roads would have become dust. Perhaps global warming would be our only lasting legacy, but even that won't last forever.
Nevertheless, there are many instances of civilizations from the ancient past. You just have to -duh- look. Try google.
Thank you, I did not understand that you understood that. It's hard to keep in mind who's arguments are whose.
"Because I have spent countless hours painting faces with all the strange distortions necessary so that when the flat image is wrapped around a three dimemsional face shape, it looks good."
That's what most people don't get when they propose radiation or staining due to herbs--it's just patently silly due to what you say. I don't think a lack of imagination is a character trait of myself but I will confess I can not image anything but fraud that would explain this image, undistorted, on a flat surface. So... on that yes: "lack of imagination!"
Best wishes!
I've yet to get anyone here who objects to this observation to simply give this a try.
I agree that seems to be the case. However, since I do not object in any way to that observation--and in fact I completely agree with you on it and have stated this multiple times, I don't understand why you keep bringing it up.
I have done a lot of graphics work on textures for 3D models. When someone builds a three-dimensional model of a character for a game or for digital animation, that model needs textures applied to it. Without textures, the model is basically just a blank mannequin; the textures paint the model and bring it to life.
These textures are often worked on in a 2d environment, as a standard flat digital image in Photoshop or similar software, then later applied by wrapping it around the model.
Sound familiar?
So this is why I do not object to or disagree with what you're saying about the image in the shroud, and why I don't have to carry out your experiment. Because I have spent countless hours painting faces with all the strange distortions necessary so that when the flat image is wrapped around a three dimemsional face shape, it looks good.
Can you accept that I agree with you on this, so we can move past it and adress other points of interest where we may actually have disagreements to debate? This is partially why I said you seem to lack imagination--you don't seem to want to engage with what I'm saying, preferring instead to continually repeat your arguments about the image.
Cultures all over the world have known about witchcraft and have kept the subject tightly held within their belief systems, not just limited to the Abrahamic religions and the Catholic Church. Beliefs about malevolent witchcraft extend beyond these religions. What you are referring to is only one part of witchcraft, the harmless part, which the public gets to see. The dark part, although obscured by this veneer and public ignorance, is just as pervasive as it once was.
they should have dug deeper into the Silbury hill- just just to ground level --- look at the pyramids ... they went Down into the earth --
"Fused green glass" from the quote sounds to me like it might be the same thing as Moldavite, which is supposed to have been caused by something like a meteor strike almost 15,000,000 years ago and is therefore loosely considered a form of tektite, though its chemical composition is basically that of glass with a few unusual mineral levels... I don't know much about the science behind space object collisions, but whatever happened to create the Moldavian tektite, I'd be interested in a study comparing it with the result of the NM atomic test.
Sorry for going a tad off-topic from the main article, but that bit especially jumped out at me because I was just reading up on tektites last week.
I still think “the biblical Flood” originally should be interpreted as the Milky Way River – and it makes no sense at all to think of Noah´s Ark and all animals, unless this imagery should represent the heavenly ship and all the animals of the zodiac.
It seem to me that the authors of the bible has left out the more specific mytho-celestial informations, which can be found in other cultural myths of creation.
Milky Way Mythology - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_%28mythology%29
List of Milky Way names - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_for_the_Milky_Way
Umm.
The biblical text separates Creation and the Flood by eight extremely long-lived generations, just as is described in the Egyptian mythos, the Sumerian myths, the Assyrian and Babylonian myths, etc.
Last I checked, "book separation" was not considered a valid assessment of the passage of time.
There is no logics in thinking of the Flood as a revenge from the creative deities.
The numerous cultural Myths of Creation of course deals with the ancient known part of the Universe, our Milky Way, which is named in many cultures as “a heavenly river”. This river – or Flood – can be observed “running all AROUND the Earth up in the Sky”, but it is misinterpreted by scholars to “run ON the Earth” which of course distorts the whole mytho-cosmological telling. Read more here – http://www.native-science.net/Flood-Myths.htm
"'In addition, we found evidence of convergent evolution of the Yakutian horse with human populations that live in Siberia and mammoths...'"
These human populations that lived in mammoths... any of them called Jonah? Oh, hang on, no; he lived in Wales, didn't he? ;)
Try parenthesising "that live in Siberia" guys, so we can read that humans and mammoths both lived in Siberia without the need for cross-species penetration, hmm? Otherwise the image remains kind of icky.
Grammatik Macht Frei.
It is true that in any believable (read as believed) story or lie there must be a grain of truth, or it would never be believable. Concider, for instance, the roots of the word angel. Ang is a chinese pronunciation of the same meaning as Ank, or life. El is a sufix from the greater reagon as the word Ank, and El means diety or master. Since english is backwards from most languages, the literal english translation of "Angels" is "Masters of Life". Also there is geological evidence of a global flood found in a uniform, world-wide sediment layer. Take these two facts and interpret them as you will.
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