3d Digital Sculpture of Giant with hair, copper breastplate, and gorget. Image courtesy of Marcia K. Moore, Ciamar Studio.

The Establishment Has Already Acknowledged A Lost Race of Giants - Part 1

One of the most controversial subjects regarding the ancient prehistoric cultures of North America concerns what we refer to as the Unique Physical Types (UPT). For the purposes of what follows, these UPT are often gigantic humanoid skeletons with hyper elongated or high-vaulted crania, occasional extra or pathological detentions (including several reports of double or triple rows of teeth), and are usually discovered in the burial mounds and associated graveyards of the Adena-Hopewell, Archaic Cultures, and Southeastern Ceremonial Complex.

It is common today for alternative history researchers to tell the story of how these beings were discovered en masse throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries. Historians, antiquarians, and archaeologists recorded the discovery of the Unique Physical Types all over the United States, with a large concentration found in the mounds and earthworks of the Ohio River Valley and along the Mississippi River.  These accounts can be found in any number of county, township, and state histories, as well as anthropological literature from both inside and outside of the Smithsonian Institution. Here are several examples:

Kentucky: “From a mound on the farm of Edin Burrowes, near Franklin, were exhumed, in May, 1841, at a depth of over 12 feet, several human skeletons. One, of extraordinary dimensions, was found between what appeared to have been two logs, covered with a wooden slab. Many of the bones were entire. The under jaw-bone was large enough to fit over the jaw, flesh and all, of any common man of the present day. The thigh-bones were full six inches longer than those of any man in Simpson County. Teeth, arms, ribs, and all, gave evidence of a giant of a former race”. (History of Kentucky, Lewis Collins)

Jo Daviess County, Illinois: “The mounds on the bluff have nearly all been opened within the last two or three years…In all that have been opened the excavators have found in the center a pit that was evidently dug about two and a half feet below the original surface of the ground…The bones in this pit indicate a race of gigantic stature, buried in a sitting posture around the sides of the pit, with legs extending toward the center”. (The History of Joe Daviess County)

“Near the original surface, 10 or 12 feet from the center (of the mound), on the lower side, lying at full length upon its back, was one of the largest skeletons discovered by the Bureau agents, the length as proved by actual measurement being between 7 and 8 feet. It was all clearly traceable…” (12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology)

Kanawha Valley, West Virginia: “No 11 is now 35 by 40 feet at the base and 4 feet high. In the center, 3 feet below the surface, was a vault 8 feet long and 3 feet wide. In the bottom of this, among the decayed fragments of bark wrappings, lay a skeleton fully 7 feet long, extended at full length on the back, head west…. Nineteen feet from the top…in the remains of a bark coffin, a skeleton, measuring 7.5 feet in length and 19 inches across the shoulders, was discovered”.  (12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology)

“Within the village of Brownstown, ten miles above Charleston and just below the mouth of Lens creek, is another such ancient burying ground…At Brownstown, not long since, two skeletons were found together, one a huge frame about seven feet in length and the other about four feet, a dwarf and deformed”. (History of the Great Kanawha Valley)

Mounds in Dunbar and South Charleston recorded by the Bureau of American Ethnology in 1884

Florida: “Pursuing my investigations, and excavating further toward the south east face of the mound, I came upon the largest stone ax I have ever seen or that had ever been found in this section of the country. Close to it was the largest and most perfect cranium of the mound…Near by the side of this skull were the right femoris, the tibia, the humerus, and part of the radius, with a portion of the pelvis directly under the skull…Anticipating a perfect specimen in this skull, I was doomed to disappointment, for, after taking it out of the earth and setting it up, so that I could view the fleshless face of this gigantic savage, in the space of two hours it crumbled to pieces, except small portions. According to measurement of the bones of this skeleton, its height must have been quite 7 feet”. (Annual Report of the Boards of Regents of the Smithsonian)

Digital sketch, ancient Florida giant.

Digital sketch, ancient Florida giant. Image courtesy of Marcia K. Moore, Ciamar Studio.

Louisiana: “In the same line of abnormality was the finding of one skull in which the detention reached the unusual number of forty teeth, the increase consisting of eight additional incisors…The formation of the skull found in the Larto mound, as compared with those of other localities, is highly anomalous…The anomaly in these cases cannot be ascribed to artificial disfiguration, for, were it such, the otherwise symmetrical development of the other parts would be impossible…their remarkable conformation could not possibly have been the result of bandages or other external appliances, but was undoubtedly congenital”. (Publication of the Louisiana Historical Society)

Etowah Mound Group: “Grave A, a stone sepulcher, 2.5 feet wide, 8 feet long, and 2 feet deep, was formed by placing steatite slabs on edge at the sides and ends, and others across the top. The bottom consisted simply of earth hardened by fire. It contained the remains of a single skeleton, lying on its back, with the head east. The frame was heavy and 7 feet long”. (12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology)

These examples represent the various anomalous features of the Unique Physical Types, which were encountered in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Spatially and culturally, they illustrate the extensive temporal and geographical range of these types. The Kanawha Valley Mound Builders left their remains in an area where some of the oldest Fayette Thick Adena Pottery and diverse types of mound construction have been found. It has recently been suggested that sites in West Virginia may push the “acceptable” beginning of the Early Woodland Period back to 1400-1300 BC.

The samples from Illinois come from a region where Archaic era mounds have been found, often with Hopewell Mounds built over and into them hundreds or thousands of years later, as in the case of Elizabeth Mound 1 and Peter Klunk Mound 7. The Etowah Mound (Mound C) is ascribed to the Mississippian Cult, dated to 950-1450 AD.

Ancient mounds and monuments of the Mississippi Valley. Originally published in William Cullen Bryant and Sydney Howard Gay

Ancient mounds and monuments of the Mississippi Valley. Originally published in William Cullen Bryant and Sydney Howard Gay, A Popular History of the United States, Vol I (1888), p. 24. (Wikimedia Commons)

After the Government and Philanthropies took over American Archaeology in the 1900s, the establishment undertook the policy of flatly denying the existence of anomalous remains. The actual beginning point for the revisionist tendency in the National Museum was very early. By 1851, E G Squier was working to debunk theories of pre-Columbian contact, and several decades later, Gerald Fowke would attempt to discredit and jettison the work of virtually every researcher in the field up to his day, including the skeletal measurements of his fellow agents in the Bureau of Ethnology. However, the denial of the Unique Types truly got underway during the reign of Ales Hrdlicka as the Curator of Anthropology at the Smithsonian (circa 1903).

"Ales hrdlicka" by Unknown - Archive Museum of Aleš Hrdlička in Humpolec.

"Ales hrdlicka" by Unknown - Archive Museum of Aleš Hrdlička in Humpolec. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons

Hrdlicka seems to have made a hobby of constantly disparaging the notion that anomalous skeletons were ever found. This was done in scholarly works as well as public venues:

And the ‘giant’ and ‘eight-foot’ skeleton is to this day the almost stereotyped feature of many an amateur report of a find of skeletal remains in Florida as well as other parts of the country. All these reports…it may be said once and for all, are exaggerations.

Dr Hrdlicka blames the ‘will to believe’ of amateur anthropologists for many reports of ‘discoveries’ which find their way to his office with monotonous frequency…the purported ‘finds’ describe a race of ancient giants between 7 and 8 feet tall with bones and jaws considerably larger than those living today…Next to human ‘giants’ Dr. Hrdlicka reports, fancy finds its sway with human ‘dwarfs’.

Interestingly, Hrdlicka’s name appears in several reports of discoveries of gigantic skeletons during his tenure at the American Museum:

The skeletons of these Hitherto Unknown American Aborigines Showed They All Ranged in Height from Six and One-Half to Seven Feet…Excavating in the sand dunes of the sun-sprayed Golden Isles, Georgia, archaeologists have gouged out the strange record of an amazing prehistoric race of giants…What manner of men were these, the members of whose tribe all averaged six and one-half and seven feet tall?...Some of the first skulls to be disinterred by Preston Holder have already been examined at the Smithsonian Institute by Dr Ales Hrdlicka, foremost authority on North American Types.

Currently there are a slew of books, DVDs and even at least one TV show documenting the exploits of modern hunters who are “on the trail” of the anomalous dead, who insist that if at least one of these skeletons could be found and presented to the “experts” it would somehow alter the professed paradigm of the establishment itself. However, as we will demonstrate in part 2, the “experts” have already rediscovered, photographed, and measured these types of remains.

Featured image: 3d Digital Sculpture of Giant with hair, copper breastplate, and gorget. Image courtesy of Marcia K. Moore, Ciamar Studio. For more reconstructions of giants, visit Marcia K. Moore’s website.

Read Part 2: Documented evidence of giants and the institutionalized policy of denial.

By Jason Jarrell and Sarah Farmer


History of Kentucky, Volume 2. Lewis Collins, 1878. Giants appear in the text on pages 107, 653, 654, 666, 683, and 722 https://archive.org/stream/collinshistoricav02coll#page/n7/mode/2up

The History of Joe Daviess County, Illinois, 1878. Reference is page 843 https://archive.org/stream/historyofjodavie00kett#page/844/mode/2up/search/Ancient+Mounds

12th Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology, 1891. https://archive.org/stream/annualreportofbu1218901891smit#page/n7/mode/2up

History of the Great Kanawha Valley, by John P Hale, 1891. Reference on page 47.

Annual Report of the Boards of Regents of the Smithsonian, 1874. See Antiwuities of Florida, page 392.

Publications of the Louisiana Historical Society 1896. Mounds of Louisiana, Part 1. Reference begins on page 20.

Building Woodland Archaeological Units in The Kanawha River Basin, West Virginia, by Patrick D Trader, in Woodland Period Systematics in The Middle Ohio Valley, edited by Darlene Applegate and Robert Mainford, 2005.

For Elizabeth Mound number 1, see The Archaic and Woodland Cemeteries of the Elizabeth Site in the Lower Illinois Valley edited by Leigh and Buikstra, 1988.

For Peter Klunk Mound 7, see Hopewell and Woodland Site Archaeology in Illinois, Bulletin 6 Illinois Archaeological Survey

Essay attached to Memoir on the European Colonization of America, page 20.

Archaeological History of Ohio, Gerald Fowke.

Anthropology of Florida, Ales Hrdlicka 1922.

Newspaper article discovered in a clipping file by Ross Hamilton, author of A Tradition of Giants: The Elite Social Hierarchy of American Prehistory.

The Salt Lake Tribune, 8/21/1936, courtesy of the excellent Greater Ancestors website:


Readers will note the sparsity of these reports in relation to what was also being discovered in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Certainly they were anomalous discoveries, but nowhere do they indicate a lost race of "giants", they merely show that "giantism" was as rare in the distant past as it is today. The ratio of more normal proportioned skeletons at the same archaeological strata and sites to giants is more than 10,000 to 1, if not more.

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To come to that conclusion you ignore the fact that the reports of discoveries of giant skeletons also noted other anomalous features of said skeletons; such as elongated crania or double dentition, for example. This makes it unlikely to be merely gigantism.

Also, the reports clearly state that the giant skeletons were most often found not in the mounds with the rest of the normal skeletons, but below the mounds, in their own separate grave or tomb beneath the ground level. At the very least this implies that the giant skeletons were almost exclusively from the oldest era of mound builder culture. If they were merely representative of the normal occurrence of gigantism in any population, why weren't the giant skeletons evenly distributed throughout mound layers?

It seems to me not beyond possibility that the giants had nothing to do with the mound builders for the most part, and that the latter constructed their burial mounds atop the tombs of the former whenever they found them. The tombs of the giants may have already been ancient when the mound builders found them.

could any of these individuals have thyroid condition??

These anomalies are most definitely a product of a disorder altering the production of growth hormone, or somatotrophic hormone. I believe this is clear, as hypersecretion leads to Gigantism even in children. In adults it causes a condition known as Acromegaly, which results in enlarged hands, jawbone and brows, just as is described of these giants throughout these two articles. However, I'm afraid to say that this disorder is not brought about by the thyroid gland, but rather the anterior lobe of the pituatary gland. It is an absolutely fascinating topic.

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Except that all of the conditions you list are basically malformations, and the bone material of people suffering from these conditions is easily recognizable by its asymmetrical, lumpy, puffy appearance.

Yet this is never mentioned in all the hundreds of reports I've seen. Instead, what is remarked on is the robustness of the bone, the teeth, etc., which are often said to be "perfect". A picture of health, not disease, in other words.

if there was a giant race in the past, isn't the question more why the human race ended up to small? Maybe we are the unusual species, not the Giants.

The question is NOT (DID THEY HAVE A THYROID CONDITION) like some FOOL said.
THE QUESTION IS WHY WAS THIS HIDDEN FROM US?? WHY? if you have any kind of a brain left use it to research what these GIANTS really were I KNOW, DO YOU?

Whoa now...easy, big fella'...

The simple fact is that you CAN'T "know" because there's no physical evidence. You can believe, but to say you know just exposes your ignorance of the scientific method and the meaning of words such as "know."

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Good article, and thanks for confirming the Smithsonian connection in the coverup of real history. They've labored for over a century to hide inconvenient ooparts, preferring to promote the party line.

Our early ancestors, the Lyrians, first came here 22 million years ago, They were STILL giants when they built the Pyramids with spiritual 'lifting' power and high tech cutting tools 70,000 years ago.

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ROFLMAO!!! That's rich. "Spiritual lifting powers!?" Lyrians? Are you sure you aren't just thinking of the Brobdingnagians? Just as likely...

Well, if the old stories are correct, and this ancient peoples procreated with humans, the disparity in stature could account for the birth difficulty.

Here's the problem with giants: we've all heard about the skeletons...but for some mysterious reason, NONE of them survive for general examination. There are plenty of dodgy, questionable photos...just like Bigfoot...but they just can't produce the skeletons (or even a SINGLE bone) from the giants once the pictures are snapped. There seems to be but ONE reason for that. The pictures are faked. I mean...just ONE giant human bone would go a long way to convince people. Naturally, a single example could likely be an anomaly...but it's a start.

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The evidence in question here is not photographs in the first place.

Yes, most likely any image you find on the internet of something to do with ancient giant hominids is going to be a hoax or a joke of some kind. But we're not looking at photographs, we're looking at thousands of credible written reports, eyewitness testimonies, affidavits by respected, educated, honorable members of communities across the United States, all through Mexico, down through Central America and into South America. We're looking at the Smithsonian's own Bureau of Ethnology annual reports.

By the way, we're looking at all that stuff seriously because it happens to coincide with Native and Indigenous traditions all over the world, as well as ancient texts from all over the world.

I'm not saying all of that gives good reason to believe in giants. I'm saying it gives good reason to not disbelieve or dismiss the idea.

Also, let's not forget that many of these anecdotes (that's what they are...since no physical proof exists) are about skeletons of people who were merely seven feet tall. I'd cite MANY 7 foot tall humans of today--especially in the NBA--and we don't think THEY come from a race of giants. They're just a bit outside the norm. They aren't from a separate giant race. Isn't it likely a 7 foot skeleton from antiquity is the same kind of person!? I mean, we're not talking about a ten foot tall juggernaut...let's use just an OUNCE of common sense here...

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The idea that they were a separate race is not based solely on size. Double dentition, bone density, fundamental structural differences from normal humans, all of these contributed as well. Try to pay attention, at least a little bit.

While interesting to theorize scientists today DO NOT recognize a race of giants in prehistoric times as this article asserts. In fact, there is very little evidence of any human remains outside of the range that would be considered normal today. Most, if not all, of the examples cited above have no physical evidence to back them up. They are little more than hearsay. Mysteriously the remains in each of these cases magically disappear before they can be studied.

Coincidence or fantasy? You decide.

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Meanwhile, if you'd like to sit down with the many thousands of reports from credible, competent individuals and witnesses, plus the Ethnology reports from archaeologists in the field, plus all the stories and traditions from native cultures, and all the ancient texts from all over the planet, and explain to everyone how all of that doesn't constitute viable evidence, that would be great. Can't wait to hear it.

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No bones is because the "Feds" have confiscated all that were made public, if you do even a little research you would know this as fact. Giant skulls were on display in the Lovelock museum in Nevada for a short period of time, then they were relegated to a locked cabinet in the back, out of public viewing. Then they were "sent" to the University of Berkley for study. Some how they "mysteriously" disappeared.
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We do notice the pattern. Psychiatrists call it paranoia. Beware the black UN helicopters.

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Psychiatrists--good ones, anyway--would only call it paranoia if they could demonstrate that it was irrational and delusional.

You skipped that second bit. Guess you're not a psychiatrist then. Not a good one, at any rate.

You think the black helicopters are UN. lol.

So, where are the bones of the giants? The christians like to talk about giants but no one has found any bones. It's just like bigfoot.

but as thyroid problems, but such problems related to food! Here we are not talking about a couple of cases in a single tribe but of thousands of human remains of giants found in WORLDWIDE. And that every civilization has spoken, in the sacred texts speak of giants, myths speak of giants, in mythology talking about giants. There are places where the remains of giants are plowing land. Maybe it's time to accept that the civilizations that preceded us, and part of that is crossed with the present civilization had a physicality different from ours, were the so-called giants! Rather than study the facts to analyze the remains, unless they have been destroyed or lost on purpose, it is time to open our eyes, we are not the first civilization on this planet. And they were giants, were not sick were genetically taller than us and their height not cause the disorders as those who now have people with gigantism. (Maybe they discendendi somehow but who can not stand the great height and that life will have health problems, poor circulation, etc. Instead our predecessors lived very well)

when i was 10 we never knew we were living on top of an ancient burial ground. my father built a large wear house and dug up 2 big rocks that was used as grave markers 2 identical rocks. as he was plowing he found gigantic bones the jaw bone was so huge it went right arround my head, if i remember correctly it was 12 inchs wide.

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If you wanna see a sceleton of a giant, type on youtube (giant sceleton discovered in Greece) and you’ll see it. Also, during the metro tube excavations in Athens, they dug up two giant sceletons which were wrapped directly for U.S.A. Now, the Greeks are asking them back. Giants are also mentioned in the old testament as well as in Homer’s Odyssey which modern scholars insist are fiction writtings; while they are history books not yet confirmed by today’s science. On the other hand, what if there were giants once upon a time? Where is the harm in that? Maybe giants among several other theories for the planet’s past, don’t fit the the image the Vatican wants to establish, for reasons the Vatican themselves know why.  



Genesis chapter 6 verse 4; There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward........

Now' Here's your descendants of the Annunaki ' I doubt they're Benevolent as so many believe; I wonder if they just see Us as protein?

Samuel Eliot Morison In his "The European Discovery of America" The Southern Voyages, tells of battles in Patagonia with naked giants whose footprints were 18 inches. Many explorers in the 16th century had these encounters.

When I was around ten or so, in the late fifties, I visited the Nevada museum and carefully examined the eight foot, reddish-haired giant on display there. It was in a glass case and perfectly real as far as I could tell. It was dressed in what appeared to be a rough woolen tunic and the face looked as if it might have been smashed by some sort of club. The hands were huge and perfectly preserved, down to the hairs growing out of the pores in the skin. It wore rough woolen clothing and there were a few other badly burned skulls of giant size.

Why would the government cover up these supposed discoveries? 7 feet in height is very tall, but it's not unheard of either. The tallest man ever was 8'11. Anomalous discoveries do not prove the existence of a race of people. Look, when homo floresiensis was discovered, you know these guys as the Hobbit people, because they were little, did "the government" try to hide this discovery? No! Of course they didn't! And this is a whole new race of people who lived contemporaneously with modern homo sapiens - the locals of the area say they died out as little as a few hundred years ago! (Although so far, the skeletons found have been dated to.... around 10,000 years old if memory serves.) Either way, they lived with homo sapiens.

Oh yeah, and there are actually other governments in the world, besides the US. I've heard tales of these giants appearing all over the world, so you'd actually have to have a whole bunch of governments co-operating with one another for the sole purpose of lying to the public about some big skeletons they found. Who needs diplomacy and economic trade agreements when we've got weird skeletons to fuss over!? And no, Americans. No. Your government does not control the world. My country actually has not all that much to do with the USA, let alone be its vassal state. And what about, say, Yemen? If they found a big skeleton would they go running to the US in order to hide the damn thing in a cupboard so no-one can see it? Somehow, I don't think so. Or how about Benin? Or Belarus? Our good friends in Russia? Global politics are primarily based in economics, not hiding old bones.

And another thing. A big, massive conspiracy like this would have to involve hundreds of people. You've got the people who discovered them, everybody who saw the remains, the people who collected the remains, the people who prepared the remains for storage, the people who keep the remains, the people who study the remains (assuming they exist of course) and so forth and so on. And yet, everybody involved has been totally unable to nick a bit of proof and show it to us for verification? People make crap up all the time. I once went beneath the Earth and met a giant named Thorston who made me dinner out of a giant pumpkin and we had an eating competition and I won through clever trickery because that's how the stories go. Do you believe me? Of course not! So why believe equally crackpot tales with an equal dearth of evidence?

I googled around for supporting evidence of these supposed discoveries, and all I could find was links to other internet sites who also provide no concrete proof. This whole thing is a giant circlejerk of pseudo-scientists and people who get kicks out of gossiping about conspiracy theories, the more ridiculous the better.

Have you guys heard of Photoshop? It's this crazy new invention that, wait for it, it actually lets you change what an image looks like! And you can do it on the computer! Amazing! You can not only manipulate photographs, you can also create newspaper articles! Technology truly is incredible.

I do understand that the purpose of this site is to entertain rather than provide facts, but the unfortunate thing is that people are coming here and believing this, without question. Look, if somebody can come along and prove me wrong, that would be great! I'd really like that, that would be incredibly interesting. But proof is not synonymous with internet-assembled gossip.

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My grandfather worked in the space program. I grew up in California. I was his first grandchild so he took me everywhere and showed me off, as a result I met many of his colleagues. They loved my enthusiasm. I was a fly on the wall. Once someone he worked with (who was also a collector), pulled out this very large skull ( he said he brought it with him from Europe). He held it up to his head( he was 6ft,broad built), this skull made his head look like a child compared to a adult. It was large, but otherwise appeared like ours. I don't recall extra rows of teeth.

Human giants are and their existence is not a surprise, really; ponder how many big animals and species there has been in history, how many huge mammals and other animals that has been walking our ground. It makes sence humans also have been in other dimensions (size´s) - there is nothing intelligent in blindly assuming we (close relatives) are an exception to this!

human giants and their (previous) existence*

There are people in our present day society that are nearly as tall as these giants. Kevin Love of the Cleveland Cavaliers is 6’10. Shaquille O’Neal is 7 feet and one inches tall. George Muresan, a Romanian is 7 feet and 7 inches tall. Yasutaka Okayama is 7 feet and 8 inches tall. These people do not have thyroid conditions or are considered anomalies. It is possible that one of their ancient ancestors was a giant and had passed the gene (that may have become dormant) until it manifested in these tall individuals who are living during our time. 

"...the length as proved by actual measurement being between 7 and 8 feet"

An actual measurement that has a 12.5% margin of error? I would not consider that proof of anything but a very non-scientific measurement.

I also notice that these reports never give a description of what is actually being measure. A skeleton that has lain in the ground for centuries may measure 8 feet from the top of the heads to the toes, but when it is excavated and assembled, it is actually 6 feet in length.

It's nice to dream and wish, but none of this provides scientific proof.

Why would the US government want to hide a race of people that pre-dates the "native" Americans, especially in the 19th century? With all the land grabbing going on, this would provide them with fuel for the argument that the land did not belong to any tribe since they were not the lands original people.

I have read so much concerning all these skeletons and for the life of me cannot understand why anyone wants to discredit them or to cover up the facts from all over the world that show they existed.

I am beginning to wonder if it is because the Bible speaks of giants in the land and in this day and age and prior many, too many wanted and do want to keep discrediting the Biblical proof of anything.


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Genesis 6:4 speakes of giants on the earth.   There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. These were the days after Noahs time. The Bible has many stories of giants in the earth. There can be no denying of this fact. Who’s to say they haven’t been on earth or who’s to say their not amongst us today?

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The New Perspective is a current philosophy studying the process of life on Earth with respect to the evolutionary process and life-cycle of the planets. A pattern is recognisable through biogeographical studies that determines the physical uniqueness or unique characteristic of animals on Earth. This pattern is directly correlated to the formation of the Earths structure from head to tail. The pattern explains the regional variations of globally distributed species but is also evident in the animals that lived as recently as 10000 years ago or less - Irish deer, cave bear, saber tooth tiger, cave lion and the wooly rhinoceros ect. The same pattern is also evident through dinosaur records. 

What conditions or changing conditions determine the ability for life on Earth to change in size maintaining distinctive characteristics?. It is measured that the Earth is slowing very fractionally in it's rotation and we know that rotation is relative to the distance from the sun. Ancient fossil coral, records the number of days in a year of which 420 days existed in a year an estimated 420 million years ago. Here are the number of days on each of the following planets. 420 days per year puts Earth at a position further from the sun, roughly a quarter of the distance to Mars.  

Mercury  1       Venus 1        Earth  365      Mars 670       Jupiter 10504      Saturn 25292  

With this changing environmental movement through the Goldilocks zone, time is also altered as a year or revolution becomes a larger value. This life-cycle movement for the planets allows scientific records to be view giving logic to this size variation through all fossil records. For extended articles explaining these newly discovered patterns and planetary movements please visit;-


Speed of a planet's rotation is not directly relative to the distance from the Sun. Look at Venus' rotation. It is now known that it spins even slower than previously thought. It takes 243 days to rotate once. Much slower than Earth. So your diagram is wrong.

If you mean the ORBIT of a planet around the Sun, then yes it takes 365 days for the Earth and 670 for Mars etc...but your argument of Earth having had 420 days in a 'year' in the far past was caused by a faster ROTATION around its own axis, not a smaller 'orbit' around the Sun. You are severely mixing facts it seems.

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Just want to jump in to point out that Venus rotates so slowly because something flipped its axis nearly 180 degrees. This also makes its rotation a retrograde motion, which means there is serious drag on it, so the rotation is slowing down rapidly(cosmically speaking).

What could have knocked a planet almost completely over?

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What the statistics above show is that every planet orbits the sun and if you are standing on each of the planets, these are the number of days each planet would have in a year or for the time it would take for that planet to circle the sun. The statistics very clearly indicate that the planets farthest from the sun obviously have long years or revolutions around the sun so they logically have much more days. The planets closet to the sun have smaller years or less time to orbit the sun and so have proportionally fewer days per year. The relationship is rather obvious really, but please note the number of rotations or days specified here are what each planet would have if you lived on each planet, not increments of 24 hrs from earths perspective. If you were to sit on Mars and revolve one full revolution around the sun, you would experience 670 days, or rotations. So for Venus a year is 224 Earth days and it rotates 243 days so in a year Venus basically has one day if you sat on it.

It is therefore logical to conclude that if the Earth had 420 days then yes as you say the rotations would be faster, but this is not the only answer. When considering the evolutionary changes that have occurred on Earth with regards to species size and adaptive changes, then your planetary movement suggestion could be reconsidered. It is perhaps far more logical to consider the possibility that 420 days in a year could be recorded if the distance of the Earth was further from the sun and this also explains the evolutionary changes.

To discredit EVERYTHING that doesn't fit into people's square box of knowledge and scientific data would be ludicrous. Before forming an opinion that there is NO scientific data... do your own digging. serious research. There are numerous 1800's /early 1900's newspaper articles of HUNDREDS if not thousands of giant skeletons found throughout the US, Europe and Asia. New York times has quite a few spread throughout the 1890's ... you can double check articles found online with your local library with their newspaper directory (almost all should contain a NEW YORK TIMES history back up until the civil war, if not further). (The old fashioned way with projector and slides) Also not EVERY photo is photo shopped on the internet, it's about discernment. Because of dozens upon dozens of reports over hundreds of gravesites, it should not be flippantly dismissed as an anomaly or genetic mutation. The consistent similarities indicate that this may actually be an entire race. ( Again re-read the individual accounts on different newspaper articles, local sites, locations, previous museum exhibits - for which there are photographic evidence) Back in the 1800's any significant find was to directly notify the local/federal government, which then turned the investigation over to the Smithsonian if it was of any consequence. Again, don't take my word for this... if this subject truly piques your interest.... start doing some of your own digging. I do know that bones/ artifacts, when they have been under water or unearthed from packed soil after extraordinarily long periods of time; only to be exposed to oxygen- can crumble within hours of discovery. (commonly happens to sunken Viking era ships and has to be meticulously maintained while being quickly transported to an environment / temperature controlled room.) whilst it is common to have your doubts about a "new" subject that has neither been broached nor taught about during childhood... it should also be in your instinct to try and chase the subject to find clues and use discernment as a scientist would rather than automatically slamming the subject/ thought from existence. just because you haven't seen it with your own two eyes.... doesn't mean it has NEVER existed. but the opposite is also true... just because you've always HEARD tales about it, does not necessarily make it truth. Use your sleuthing skills people .... and open your minds a bit... after all- science is all about discovery and posing questions.... "A wise man knows he knows nothing, whereas a fool believes he knows everything" - Chinese proverb/ Socrates (Just my two cents)

Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence. Having said that proof must be provided one day. Hopefully we can do that this year... type in 'tangatwhenua16' and get onto their website.

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Is there an “a” missing between the t and the w ?

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