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Copernicus and the Principle documentary

Radical new documentary claims Copernicus and four centuries of science is wrong

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A new documentary called The Principle , which is due to be launched on 10th October, is set to take on more than four centuries of established belief in the Copernican Principle by presenting shocking new scientific evidence that suggests the Earth holds a special place within the cosmos. The film has already resulted in an absolute media frenzy, smear campaign, and storm of controversy as furious scientists vehemently defend their position – and that’s before they have even seen the evidence. Could we be on the edge of a radical new understanding of our universe and our place within it? Rick Delano, Writer and Producer of The Principle believes we are.

While most of us today assume that our brilliant scientific minds, space exploration programs, and high-tech telescopes and equipment have long since proven that the Earth orbits the sun, Mr Delano explains that no experimental evidence has ever been obtained that unequivocally proves this to be true. As historian Lincoln Barnett states in The Universe and Dr. Einstein , "We can't feel our motion through space, nor has any physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion." Hence, Mr Delano states that the Copernican Principle is not a scientific fact, but rather a metaphysical assumption supported by profoundly convincing ideas and theories. His film, The Principle, is the first documentary ever to directly examine the scientific basis of the Copernican Principle by bringing together top scientific experts in a commentary, which he says, will leave us questioning our very place within the cosmos.

Ancient belief about our place within the cosmos

For thousands of years, there was a prevailing geocentric view of the cosmos, in which the Earth was believed to be the centre of the universe. By looking up at the sky and seeing the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars moving about Earth along circular paths day after day, it seemed evident to ancient people that the Earth was stationary and the rest of the universe moved around it.  Such a perspective was also in accordance with the God-centred worldview which maintained that a god or gods created us, and that there is a purpose to this creation.

Nevertheless, Mr Delano explained in an interview with Ancient Origins that “the ancients were more than intelligent enough to understand that the same observational phenomena would be equally attributable to a rotation of the earth on its axis.” So, why then was this perspective not adopted in ancient times?

“The simple truth is that the ancient world found it more plausible to believe that we were clearly the focus and centre of what we saw going around us,” added Delano.

Thus, the geocentric model of the universe came to be adopted as the predominant cosmological system in many ancient civilizations such as ancient Greece (from 4 th century BC), including the noteworthy systems of Aristotle and Ptolemy. The astronomical predictions of Ptolemy's geocentric model were used to prepare astrological and astronomical charts for over 1,500 years.

However, the work of Nicolaus Copernicus (1473 – 1543), a brilliant mathematician and astronomer from Royal Prussia, a region of the Kingdom of Poland, laid the foundations that eventually resulted in thousands of years of belief in a geocentric model of the cosmos being turned on its head.

The Ptolemaic Geocentric Model in the Principle

The Ptolemaic Geocentric Model. Source: Wikipedia

The Copernican Revolution

In his publication De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres) in 1543, Copernicus proposed the replacement of the geocentric system for a heliocentric model, in which the Earth and the other planets orbit the Sun, on the basis that heliocentrism could explain the motion of celestial bodies more simply than the geocentric view. The implication of this revolutionary idea was that Earth could no longer be seen as being in any central or specially favoured position, a concept which became known as the Copernican Principle.

This was shocking and it was met by one stubbornly resistant force – the Catholic Church.  After all, what would it really mean for civilization and religion to find that “we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people," as Carl Sagan succinctly expressed in the 20 th century?

Such a radical change in world-view could not happen overnight and indeed it was at least another century before Copernicus’s ideas came to be well established.  In the meantime, numerous scientists came forward to try to measure the Earth’s orbit around the Sun.

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"When i see how barren the other planets are, and how bountiful the Earth is, somethings different"

Errr no, in that case you just havnt looked through all the insanely amazing planets we've found, and also dismissed that reletivly speaking we are in the Alpha or Beta stages of Space Exploration and know essentialy nothing.
Planets made of Diamond or Gold, Earth like planets but twice or ten times the size, Planets like Mars which once obviously supported at least primitive (single cell primitive) life, undoubtably planets that are yet to reach their "supporting life" stage. Thats cool as s**t! Also lots of "something differents", so we are somewhat different to what we have observed, but not in some kind of divine special way its all fairly basic stuff. The universe is a big place, im sure theres some crazy impressive things out there, we just havnt found them yet.

"We seem to find ourselves in a part of the universe, attuned to life"
"The earth is a very special place no doubt about it"

Yes, this is correct. So what?
He seems to think this has some form of deeper meaning though, which is quite simply not true, its completly random that humans came to be in the first place, and there is 0 proof to say there arnt a million million other inhabited planets out there.

So one half of the universe is hot, the other half cold, or + and - if you like. Considering that we already know that this is the case with the Earth (magnetic poles changing) its actually only logical that the same would happen on a grander scale with the universe, possibly the two even being connected. Perhaps the magnetic poles changing will occur at the same time as a "flip" in the universe as well?
And to assume that we must be the source, rather than the effect of, or affected by, is just plain vanity.
Isnt it infinatly more likly, that if our planet formed in this "cosmic river" that runs through the universe, it inadvertidly had a direct affect on the formation of the planet in the first place, rather than the earth forming and then beaming out some kind of ray all over the place? If we were formed inside it, it would stand to reason that the way the planet lies, alligns with this "river". Just as a stone would show where the river has passed it over time, so the earth would show "wear and tear" of travelling through and existing within it.

And whats with attatching God to it? These things really really annoy me. Pseudo Science at its best attempting to proove once again in a last ditched attempt that a judeo-christian God could possibly exist and make us all on a whim. Its not going to happen.
A/multiple God/s could potentialy exist, sure, but there is no reason to believe religions that have blatently stolen half their stuff from earlier civilizations/religions and made up the other half willy nilly.
Attempting to make actual scientific laws whilst using a blatent lie as your base cant end well and i quite simply am just going to walk away from anyone that attempts to prove me wrong on that, you cant argue with stupid.
Not saying the stories arnt cool, but dont try and make the laws of the universe attempt to fit your personal belief system, the universe doesnt give a toss about what you think and in the grand scheme of things wether a god exists or not is completly irrelivent, either there is no god, so meh, or theres a god and this is all his/her/their doing and you cant change anything anyways and we're all just puppets dancing to another beings tune. I reject god on the principle that im my own person, if God made me then thanks, but ill take it from here and he/she/it/they has/have no right to interfere, wether that be in life or death.

Im going to have to watch this program deffinatly, and if they change my mind then awesome, but im about 99.9% sure this is a case of "Ancient Aliens" attempting to explain the universe.

Also, this:
"Following the release of the film's trailer, narrator Kate Mulgrew said that she was misinformed as to the purpose of the documentary. Max Tegmark claims that DeLano "cleverly tricked a whole bunch of us scientists into thinking that they were independent filmmakers doing an ordinary cosmology documentary, without mentioning anything about their hidden agenda." George Ellis has said that "I was interviewed for it but they did not disclose this agenda, which of course is nonsense. I don't think it's worth responding to -- it just gives them publicity. To ignore is the best policy. But for the record, I totally disavow that silly agenda." Michio Kaku, said that the film was likely "clever editing" of his statements and bordered on "intellectual dishonesty." Lawrence Krauss said he had no recollection of being interviewed for the film and would have refused to be in it if he had known more about it. Julian Barbaour claims he never gave permission to be in the film. All of this happened within a few days."

So yeah, not the most reliable of fact finding missions to back up their claims by the producers there.

Bitter Lemon:

When data which provocatively runs against the grain of established scientific theory presents itself, non-institutionalist thinkers champion it while most scientists in the relevant fields, who have listened to themselves preach the opposite for years, dismiss it as anomalous until the evidence piles up to the point of crashing down on their heads.

Whether the featured scientists were given a frank overview of the documentary before they were interviewed is far less important than whether their responses remain in context. Since presumably none of them have seen the yet-unaired program, their complaints thus far are of a personal--not scientific--nature.

And not that I suggest a tit-for-tat approach, but I should also point out that plenty of mainstream "scientific" documentaries have went far out of their way to paint non-mainstream theories as total rubbish and their proponents as crackpots, not rarely to the point of misrepresentation and blatant character assassination.

----"in that case you just havnt looked through all the insanely amazing planets we've found"------

Such as...?

----"and also dismissed that reletivly speaking we are in the Alpha or Beta stages of Space Exploration and know essentialy nothing."------

An argument of silence, based on religious faith that someday maybe eventually God-willing you'll find something...

-----"Planets made of Diamond or Gold, Earth like planets but twice or ten times the size."------

None of this is special in comparison to the Earth. All you've found are dead rocks that are made of one substance or that are very big. It's like saying this chunk of gold is comparable to the diversity and complexity of a human body.

---"Planets like Mars which once obviously supported at least primitive (single cell primitive) life"------

Where is all your 'obvious' proof?

-----"undoubtably planets that are yet to reach their "supporting life" stage."------

More made-up wishful thinking without facts or precedent except in the imaginary mind of evolutionary religion.

----"so we are somewhat different to what we have observed, but not in some kind of divine special way its all fairly basic stuff."-------

Somewhat different? There is nothing out there that even remotely approaches the planet Earth. Just hopeful speculations based on dogmatic materialist faith.

-----"The universe is a big place, im sure theres some crazy impressive things out there, we just havnt found them yet."--------

Whatever makes one happy to believe in... get back to us when you have proof.

-----"its completly random that humans came to be in the first place"-------

Proof?

----"and there is 0 proof to say there arnt a million million other inhabited planets out there."--------

Actually the weight of the evidence thus far is on the opposite side. Again you've only got a religious belief, not any reasonable proof.

-----"So one half of the universe is hot, the other half cold, or + and - if you like. Considering that we already know that this is the case with the Earth (magnetic poles changing) its actually only logical that the same would happen on a grander scale with the universe, possibly the two even being connected. Perhaps the magnetic poles changing will occur at the same time as a "flip" in the universe as well?"------------

And you don't see the amazing coincidences here? Why is it so perfectly aligned up with our planet? This spits in the face of the homogeneity that the Copernican Principle is suposed to predict in order to reduce the universe to a suitable state of non-order.

----'And to assume that we must be the source, rather than the effect of, or affected by, is just plain vanity."-------

True, if you mean that the phenomenon on Earth is a direct effect of the universe's rotation around it and not the other way around, because the Earth is too small to affect anything outside it other than the moon, but the fact remains that the entire universe's structure puts the Earth at its center of Mass. To believe this is simply by chance is ridiculous. The only vanity going on here is by those who wish to deny the obvious proof that design and purpose is inherent in the universe and that the Earth is special because a Designer willed it to be so. Thus you are in fact projecting your own vanity in that you wish for a purposeless universe so that you don't have to humble yourself before God.

----"Isnt it infinatly more likly, that if our planet formed in this "cosmic river" that runs through the universe, it inadvertidly had a direct affect on the formation of the planet in the first place, rather than the earth forming and then beaming out some kind of ray all over the place? If we were formed inside it, it would stand to reason that the way the planet lies, alligns with this "river". Just as a stone would show where the river has passed it over time, so the earth would show "wear and tear" of travelling through and existing within it."-----

Everything you've said here is scientifically speaking... nonsense and based on nothing at all. What is this mythical 'river' you are speaking of? You just made all of this up on the spot. This isn't even the way things work, nor is anyone even remotely suggesting the things you are saying with regards to the Earth. I suggest looking into the topic further in order to know and understand what is being discussed with regards to the Cosmic Microwave Background and its alignment, as well as understanding the Neo-Tychonic Geocentric Cosmology.

Love your comment, and completely agree with all of it!

malisa wright

Johnno, completely agree with you. It is so funny and ironic that the "scientists" that want proof all the time, comes with their own baseless dogma religion so far from the real observed universe. Then they invent quantum this and virtual particles that and believe in them but not on the glory that they have right in front of their eyes.To have some kind of knowledge and not recognize that what you have in front of you was carefully designed is like to say that a tornado going thru a junkyard have the possibility of assembling a 747 aircraft if we give these tornado billions of years. It aint happening. Get your heads out of your know it all hats and recognize that WE are indeed a very special race in the universe.

"So one half of the universe is hot, the other half cold, or + and - if you like"

 

>> That in itself is a dramatic challenge to consensus cosmology.

But it is much more serious than that.

 

Not only is one side of the universe warmer than the other- the temperature fluctuations themselves are not random. When decomposed into multipoles (spherical harmonics), they define a special, preferred direction- an "Axis of Evil"- across the cosmos.

 

But wait.

 

There's more.

 

This "Axis" is not just any special direction.

 

It happens to be closely aligned with the ecliptic and equinoxes of the one location in the cosmos we *know* has observers intelligent enough to build the telescopes necessary to notice.

 

All of this is, of course, completely contrary to the Copernican Principle.

 

And the Copernican Principle lies at the very foundation of modern consensus cosmology.

Don't get mad, bro.

-----And whats with attatching God to it? These things really really annoy me. Pseudo Science at its best attempting to proove once again in a last ditched attempt that a judeo-christian God could possibly exist and make us all on a whim. Its not going to happen. -------

So you expose your bias. Frankly one can easily level the same accusation at you, as to why you insist on forcibly interpreting everything and even dismissing emperical evidence based on your paradigm that everything must be filtered through your personal religious philosophy of materialist atheism? The only ones desperate here to the point of embarassment in the face of overwhelming evidence has been the atheistic consensus which must continually rewrite its fables to accomodate their religion and make up all kinds of non-existent metaphysical particles and matter and bendy twisty turny physics and ad-hoc dimensions to keep the charade going.

-----A/multiple God/s could potentialy exist, sure, but there is no reason to believe religions that have blatently stolen half their stuff from earlier civilizations/religions and made up the other half willy nilly.-----

And you are obviously the supreme omnipotent authority to know all this and inform us as to what's what, right?

-------Attempting to make actual scientific laws whilst using a blatent lie as your base cant end well and i quite simply am just going to walk away from anyone that attempts to prove me wrong on that, you cant argue with stupid.-----

Oh my, we have a hypocite in our midst who can't even himself prove or maintain the fables and principles he believes in, but you're stupid for trying to make scientific laws around something other than his unproven myths! But don't argue with him, he knows everything, and his proof is chiefly that he has said so! A real King Solomon!

-----Not saying the stories arnt cool, but dont try and make the laws of the universe attempt to fit your personal belief system, the universe doesnt give a toss about what you think and in the grand scheme of things-----

That's funny, the universe right now is demonstrating that it doesn't give a toss to the entire and current foundation of 19th-20th Century's scientific evolutionary consensus belief system.

------ wether a god exists or not is completly irrelivent, either there is no god, so meh, or theres a god and this is all his/her/their doing and you cant change anything anyways and we're all just puppets dancing to another beings tune.

There's an awful lot of emotions and vitirol flying around for something so 'irrelevant'... And you no more dance like a puppet for God than you do for a scientific establishment or the President or the United Nations who set laws and policies. The only exception is that God the creator knows better than them and you can ignore God, the same way you can jump off a cliff ignoring gravity to your own demise.

------I reject god on the principle that im my own person, if God made me then thanks, but ill take it from here and he/she/it/they has/have no right to interfere, wether that be in life or death.-------

Ah vanity... alright then, you have now exercised your God-given free will, so thy will be done... and to you thy own consequences.

----Im going to have to watch this program deffinatly, and if they change my mind then awesome, but im about 99.9% sure this is a case of "Ancient Aliens" attempting to explain the universe.-----

Good, because all your fellow atheist friends are on there and you can listen to them comfirm for you the same thing you are hoping is all just a bad dream that you can brush away as being a case of 'aliens' which ironically is in keeping with your own passionate views about about how you aren't yet able to explore the entirety of the universe, so it's funny that you yourself dismiss that which you ought to believe on your own grounds...

You have a very intelligent retort to Mr. Atheist's post, but I would like to point out a couple of faults with your own arguments, as they seem to be aguing FOR a Biblical-based GOD/Christianity.
I am NO Atheist, but neither do I believe the Bible to be some kind of historical account of actual events relative to it's time.
I'm not going to write a tome to detract each point because that would be redundant, so I'll keep it short and we can debate each topic further as you wish.
As for the Bible being a mish-mash and willy-nilly, the research PROVES the main Old Testament Bible stories ARE retellings of earlier culture's (the Sumerians and Egypt) writings and beliefs.
There are simply way too many parellels to dismiss them as being coincidents.
The New Testament too, the life of Jesus, has many correlations to the Egyptian stories of Esau, son of Cleopatra.

The Bible itself has too many contradictions to ever be seriously considered as a "perfect word".

As for the statements made by Kate Mulgrew, Max, Ellism, Kaku & Krauss etc. We already have explicit proof that they are lying and/or were pressured into making these statements.

Kate narrated the entire documentary and the script was vetted by her and her agents before she took the job, and there is other evidence to suppose that she was perfectly aware and even happy with it, that is until she was harassed by your atheist friends over social media and after being called all kinds of unflattering things she put out a statement to appease the irrational hatred towards her.

All the other scientists signed waivers acknowledging that the documentary they were participating in would explore controversial areas of the topic, they themselves openly talked about it and were even paid for their work. And best of all, NONE OF THEM have apparently even seen the movie! So how can they know whether or not it was cleverly edited to misrepresent them? Where's the proof? You'd think atheists would be all about the evidence! Sure they can make the claim after it's been released, but all of this smacks of a knee-jerk hidden pressurized agenda by the upper echelons of academia wishing it could censor and reverse its own self-inflicted damage against itself.

So yeah, I recommend doing some deeper fact finding missions to uncover just why this documentary is causing a lot of angst and regret on the part of a few of its participants. Hopefully Part 2 of this article brings this to a good light.

Bitterlemon..I Totally agree with you. Thanks

Bitterlemon..I Totally agree with you. Thanks

Modern day science folk are like the church people of the middle ages things aregetting very interesting with all this quantum spookiness , the aggression coming from the militant athiests suggests to me they are getting v
ery worried...... oh and yor comment about if god made you its none of his business lol your a funny man

... is not what we thought.

Somehow, I don't know how, the astronomical community came to believe that digital images are the same as photographs, and so, astronomers take digital images at face value.

However, file size for digital images reveals each one is a movie of information; and dark matter is merely that which vibrates in the sub-UV scale of the EM spectrum.

Of course there's much more matter in the higher near-UV spectrum (which appears transparent to us here in the whitelight spectrum of red-green-blue) than we physically see.

But digital imagery can see a lot more of it than photographs can. In digital images, I can scrape off all the whitelight content and only show the "blacklight" content details.

But who cares? Isn't this a form of forbidden "photoshopping"? to reveal what's behind the images NASA takes for granted?

You tell me. Take a look. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Planetary-Image-Gallery/25587983443870 and let's just throw OUT ALL judgments about what we're seeing because I'm not an astronomer and I'm only guessing.

But I'm seeing a lot more data than YOU are, even IF I don't know what I'm looking at. :)

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Our ancestors did look at the universe in both ways but not for the reasons that most understand.

Astrologically, one can look at a Heliocentric chart and determine certain things.
For personal Astrology one would look at a geocentric chart as we are born here.

It may well be that both, simultaneously, occur. The Sun moves around the Earth and the Earth moves around the Sun. It simply depends on that which you are measuring and your frame of reference (paradigm). We cannot know for sure as we all have our own reality.

Thycho, Johannes, Isaac were firstly Astrologers and secondarily Scientists.
Yes, I know this is difficult.

There is experimental evidence that shows the Earth doesn't move, such as Michelson-Morley's intereferometer data, which along with making sense of the movement of various bodies around us and now the CMB structure aligned with the Earth make more sense of one theory over the other.

Relativity was cooked up and accepted in order to cover up the findings of Michelson Morley with an appeal to an entirely new set of physics that created a virtual house of mirrors and led to all kinds of anomalies & paradoxes that has troubled the establishment for years. Yet in their drive to ignore the evidence they've kept trucking on and on into a brick wall by drawing various doors upon its surface hoping that they will one day drive through it.

The number of out right lies in this write up is astounding. 2 of them:

1) We have no scientific observations the Earth moves.

Ahhhh. No. We have 100% proof (with observational data) the Earth rotates. Rotation is movement. This is a visible and measurable event. Pendulum based clocks are predictably impacted by latitude. SeaLaunch launches from near the equator because centripetal forces are higher there than places like Florida. Weather patterns (Typhoons and hurricanes and jet streams) are directly impacted BY EARTH'S ROTATION. We have 100.000000% observational proof the Earth moves. Note: the Earths rotation invalidates Tycho's warped model.

2) The "Axis of Evil" mentioned can not be aligned with BOTH the Earth's axis and the solar systems axis. It is impossible since Earth's axis is not aligned with the solar system's axis.

This program is for entertainment only and anyone that believes the basic premiss simply has a weak mind.

Noyes:

The same would be observed if the Universe rotated around a center and the Earth happened to be located at that center.

"No proof that the Earth is moving", are you ridiculously ignorant on purpose?. Why don't you ask the people currently living in space, coming and going and the abundant mass of space photographs and videos taken of the Earth to see if it doesn't move. Wow, just wow!. It's 2014 and people are still this blind!, not only Earth moves but the whole galaxy moves and travels. Get an education or at least try to educate yourself, clearly you weren't paying attention in school or your knowledge is outdated.

Good summary of where this all appears to be going. Are you aware that the film also explains part of a new theory explaining that some stone age monuments appear to prove that geocentrism originated millennia before the earliest known records? These ideas started in the UK (published there about a year ago and now concurred with by some world authorities on those monuments). The ideas in the film are also used in a new book (by an expert from New England, USA), to be published later this year.

Has everyone here gone freaking insane?

Making shit up is not evidence.

Tell that to they guys who believe in macro-evolution, S & G Relativity, dark matter & dark energy...

With all the comments I've read the only thing I know for sure is; 2 sides of an arguement have different opinions. Neither side can convince me of their credibility. They are the theories of random creation or devine creation. Nothing is settled the scale did not tip in either direction. So it just states we have no clue as to what "it all is", just like every other yesterday.

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You're exactly right in your summarization. What all of this means is, the Fundamental Questions of "who are we", "why are we here", "what is this place", and "how did all of this happen"(I sometimes think of these questions as the "Original WTF") remain unanswered, despite claims to the contrary by various factions.

Well, to me this is just another attempt of some selfish persons trying to 'prove' that mankind is better than anything else... typical for people who disrespect every other life form.

How do you know they "disrespect every other life form"? Is that how you judge a philosophical claim? One of the first proponents of animal rights was Schopenhauer, who was very cruel to his mother. Check out that beam in your own eye.

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To me, your comment seems composed of assumptions based on dubious political stereotypes--shaky ground, if true.

But even if you're correct, and this comes from "people who think man is better than anything else", that is not a valid argument against the science being discussed, nor the various speculations regarding possible meanings or interpretations of the observations.
Just because you disagree with them and think they are wrong about one thing does not mean they are wrong about everything. That is fallacy of composition.

So long as digital images coming off NASA and Astronomy telescopes is unexamined for authenticity, the data we have is very questionable, and few judgments are even possible.

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What do you mean, "unexamined for authenticity?"

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It amuses me how so many people can get upset about their faith in either an old book (made up and edited over the centuries as much for political control as anything else) or their faith in science (which is still new and developing as time goes on).

Earth is special because I'm here...and yes I suppose becuase you're all here too, but that doesn't mean we should get all high and mighty about how important we are compared to the rest of the universe. We know a fantastic amount thanks to science but equally this amounts to practically nothing, we're still learing new things about our own planet and solar system let alone what lies beyond but at least science helps us learn!

If you must put your faith in a book that is outdated and which does not have the ability nor desire to change with facts then that's great for you; I sincerely hope it brings you happiness and contentment. However for the rest of us who are able to be open minded, there are many free online courses that can help you learn the "too indepth science" which this article eludes to and at least then you can make up your own mind.

In my opinion (and I recognise most won't care), science does not have all the answers but at least it is adaptable although this does take time. It finds ways to get us into space, to feed us, help us work and communicate and a thousand other things that we take for granted; far more than blind faith can ever do.

ओं मणिपद्मे हूं

1. BY SCIENTISTS & their Engineers: Deliberately-placed pollutants in the environment: chemtrails, fluoride, radiation, oil spills, heribicides & pesticides, sterile seeds, re-engineered plagues.

2. Changes to our astronomical situation have not been discussed in the public domain, not at all.

3. The food chain has been corrupted, defiled and wasted, while people are starving, no thanks to Agribus and the useless Federal bureaucrazy.

4. Medical science knows how to cure disease; however, Big Pharma and Big Govt prefer to profiteer on disease rather than cure and heal it.

5. Social sciences based on a false and faked human history only 6000 years of age lacks the depth of experience in Law that provides consistent and regular experiences we call "Justice," especially in the face of ET intrusions and abductions.

If you want to believe in Scientism, you can do so, but the cost appears to me to be very high.

Rick Delano is quite a guy—I'm not kidding!

If persistence and dogged faith, unencumbered by burden of fact is a virtue then Rick certainly "takes the cake". For those who are interested, search for "Rick Delano" in your favorite search engine, and feast your sense of humor on the dialogs that he becomes enmeshed in on comment boards such as this one.

Those with a modicum of background in the sciences will find that these exchanges, while incredibly tedious are a curious—and at times hilarious—study of human belief and behavior. No matter how many times he gets his *ss handed to him, he still comes back punching

It's perhaps a bit of a shame that a guy like Delano, who seems intelligent and even talented, has squandered his abilities on such a hopeless idea. Don Quixote move aside.

Delano's case is a textbook example one of the big pitfalls facing those who embrace fundamentalist dogma, that is, an inability to render information that challenges their pre-conceived notions. It is tempting to cast such characters as dullards, but the case of Delano certainly challenges this assumption, as he managed to produce a film—not easy at all—and is very adept at using language and presenting arguments that are convincing—at least to the uniformed.

I'm hoping to hear back from Rick, as he always has something pointed, and ironically hilarious to say. Come on, Rick!

If you will consider the laws of physics, anything that would have the Sun orbiting the Earth is blatantly impossible and to consider it real would be the greatest conceitedness of humanity. Orbits are determined by mass and gravitational effects, and not even "God" would set up such a screwy exception. Whatever "The Principle" has to say, it may not be worth more than a way to get the authors some attention for a few weeks and ridicule for a lifetime. You want to be famous? You got it. I hope you're happy.

The religious equivalent to the Sun revolving around the Earth would be God revolving around Us. Some acient cultures made deity and the sun equivalent, so to wisely resolve any discrepancy. The historical fact of heliocentrism resulted from the poor observational skills of early occidental cultures, increased by their also poor cosmogony and mythology. There will always be such kind of people, but any of them is free to wake up anytime, as the tools of science are humanly accesible. Existence is finite though, so don't hesitate much about doing so.

Good article, thanks.

malisa wright

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my personal opinion is that we will always be learning, we'll always be students of the universe.

love, light and blessings

AB

hmm this is nonsense.space expands this is retarded space is infinite and cant expand.space is not flat but curved hmm its omnidirectional goes out in all direction from any given point. its more like 3 dimensional not flat curve triangle or any other shape shape is what can happen in space.

Cant believe this will probably get on to history channel or something right beside some alien show.

Quite stupid to think Earth is static.

Alone the triangle "timerelavite" measurements of stars and galaxies to estimate distance Proofs Earth moves or these triangular measurements were impossible because no angle would be created and any distance of any object would be infinite

Besides we see all other Planets MOVE around the Sun ..We ARE a Planet so CAN Assume are same Phenomena.

Well, I do not know how relevant this argument of who is going around who is and if anything in our daily lives will change if it is proved that earth is at the center of the Universe. We measure motion of bodies relative to one another and out there in the cosmos, there is no definition for time, so I do not know what are we trying to prove or achieve. What matters is, we still know nothing about the Universe. We have been scanning the cosmos for life on another celestial body but we have found nothing yet. In all possibility, there may be planets that harbour life, more advanced or inferior than us which we may never find out. What we know now is that our planet is the only celestial body that can create and sustain such a diverse ecosystem. Establishing a special place for our planet in the Universe is meaningless as long as we keep destroying Mother Nature from within. If all these videos, measurements and arguments help people to have greater understanding and respect for our planet and inspire them to preserve Nature, then that's the only outcome that would really matter.

Wow, I see it has already struck some chords here. I think this is another Zeigeist video on religion, only with The Principle, these guys are just doing the reverse, and making fools of themselves.

This is not the right time to argue if who's wrong or right. The science or the religion. they have their reason of existence, even if any of them is real, do we have to blame somebody for bad practice of teaching? Many of us are intelligent but none of us are able to answer directly to some mysteries being asked. . Those are only theories.

someday well have those...

For the ones who clearly know the director, will know that he is always trying to jam and cram and fit science to his beliefs, that is by distorting it if he has to and give a mass of delusional pseudo made up science to the public. He is the kind of person who is all capable of thinking that if an earthquake is strong enough the Earth will shake us all from it and send us flying to space. Really, the guy's forehead is the size of two fingers together. He doesn't care what science has to explain, he only cares to fit his beliefs with desperate attempts because he can't simply accept the fact, we DON'T matter at all for the universe to function. We can all disappear tomorrow and the whole universe will keep on moving. We are less than dust in the size of the universe. There are Earths more gigantic than ours but because we haven't even physically as humans reached mars yet, doesn't mean we know anything of what is inside any of those exoplanets, we so far can only assume, which is better than just believe "God did the fossils, there weren't dinosaurs, clearly he made them for me to hop into my car and keep polluting the air".

enough said :)

PS This will really get the sparks flying as the white coat experts try to get us back in the box

there are way too many bible thumpers on here tryna use this documentary, which hasnt even came out yet and so they havent even seen it to know if its saying anything true at all, to prove their concept of god. im srry but shouldnt you wait to see the damn documentary before you champion it as proof for your world view. isnt that illogical and highly biased by your religious convictions that you so desperately try to prove in any form or fashion you feel defends and maintains them. i'm disappointed there isnt more intelligent conversation on the matter.

Who's to say the planets aren't beings? They move. They appear to communicate in what can only be called song. And ALL the ancients viewed them not only in human terms, but as our actual ancestors. What if they were right all along?

After a private screening of the geocentrism film for friends of Real Science Radio in Denver, we wrote a rebuttal which is at http://rsr.org/extreme-geocentrism :)

Ty for the link, excellent rebuttal .

Hello! This post could not be written any better! Reading through this post reminds me of my good eecedckeagcd

Just found the Origins website this evening and was hoping that it would be full of interesting scientific articles. After seeing this one, however, I can surmise that I was sadly mistaken. I don't see a need to look for the article explaining why the Earth is flat.

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