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The Relic of Bir Hooker & The Giants of the Past - Part 2

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Part 1 of the relic of Bir Hooker outlined the true account of Swiss club owner Gregor Spörri and his encounter with an elderly farmer in Egypt, Nagib, a descendant of an ancient family of grave robbers. Nagib showed Spörri a relic that had passed down through his family – a wooden box containing a mummified finger that measured 35 centimetres in length, along with documents proving its authenticity, including x-rays carried out on the artefact in the 1960s. (Image:  A giant on Rock Art Canyon Ranch, Winslow, Arizona)

Nagib refused to tell Spörri where the finger was found but made allusions to a hidden room in the basementof the Great Pyramid where huge, empty graves are located. Nagib made it clear that the relic was not for sale as it was too important for Nagib's family. Before he returned to his hotel, Spörri took a number of photos where he put a banknote next to the finger in order to indicate the size.

On the way back to Cairo, Spörri realized that what he had seen was very special.

In the years following his viewing of the giant mummified finger, Spörri did not speak much about what he had seen. The times when he did speak about it showed him that scientists were not interested in it, simply because it did not fit in with their existing theories. So instead Spörri embarked on intensive research into the possibility of the existence of giants in ancient times. He studied sacred texts like the Bible (the Gospel of Judas), the Torah (Talmud), the Koran, and many other writings containing tales and mythologies. He was surprised to discover that there are in fact frequent references to giants.

The Bible speaks about Nephilim (the Hebrew word for giant but also for fallen), a race of giants created by the mixing of the sons of Gods and the daughters of men. Researchers and historians have presented different theories to explain what these Nephilim really were, ranging from fallen angels (unfaithful to their origins), the descendants of Seth (the third son of Adam and Eve), or a product of extraterrestrials interbreeding with humans.

Genesis 6:4

In those days - and also afterwards - there lived giants on the earth, because the sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of men and they bore sons to their community. They were the famous tyrants of old time.

Even after the flood you can find reports of giants, this could be because the Nephilim were spiritual beings and therefore were not bothered by the flood, unlike their earthly offspring. The Israelites came across these giants when they explored their promised land.

Numbers 13:33

We also saw the giants there, Anakim, which come of the giants, and we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes and in their eyes.

In the writings of Enoch and Moses we can also read about giants.

In 79 AD. Flavius ​​Josephus mention giants in his writings about the Jewish war:

There were giants. Much larger and shaped differently than normal people. Terrible to see. Anyone who has not seen it with his or her own eyes can not believe they were so big.

PharaohThrough the ages, writings in which giants play a role have resurfaced time and again:

  • Pausanias, an ancient historian wrote in 200 AD about 5 metre tall, humanoid skeletons found in modern Syria;
  • The Greek mythology known as the Titans;
  • Germanic mythology has numerous giants, living in Riesenheim;
  • Don Antonio de Mendoza discovered giant skeletons in Peru;
  • The Dutch navigator Willem Cornelisz Schouten claims he had seen skeletons of at least 3.5 meters;
  • Giants are depicted on rock drawings in Ohio;
  • There was a huge skeleton found in Minnesota in 1968. Radiocarbon dating could not continue because the skeleton vanished during its transportation;
  • The Annunaki are a race referred to in the Sumerian texts that apparently landed on earth in the area between the Euphrates and the Tigris. They passed their knowledge to the Sumerians, an early civilization with very advanced culture. The Sumerians depicted humaoids of at least 3 times as large as the average person in their art and carvings.
  • Statues in Egypt depict ‘gods’ as tall beings. Historians will tell you that this is to indicate that they were important, but it is also possible that they were representing their actual height. Often there is a man of normal height to create a context.
  • A giant footprint embedded in granite that is around 200 million years old has been found in South Africa, near the town of Mpaluzi.

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There have also been many more well-documented giant skeletons found in the US in late 1800's-1940's, which were quickly whisked away, (usually by the Smithsonian) never to be seen again.

malisa wright

Then how do you know they existed?

Exactly. i would also want to see documented replies from the experts who looked at the photos and the xrays, etc. I don't disbelieve, but when you publish articles like this without using rigorous standards of proof, you play right into the hands of skeptics.

There have been publications in the American History magazine just in the last three years or so that tell about some of these skeletons. In the 20s I think it was, when the US was building highways across the northern states through farming lands, the road projects ended up plowing through a lot of ancient burial mounds. Locals dug into the mounds and found skeletons that were often between 8-10 feet tall. In some cases there are photos of the burial mounds where these people were buried standing up.

In this case, the US wasn't even interested in the skeletons at the time, to preserve national history, but there are other cases of such finds of giant skeletons in the US. Indian legends too, have told of giants in the US.

The skeletons are found in different places - like the Giant Irish bones were in Lundy Island for ages and now transferred to Bristol Museum. You could go and see for yourself.

We know that these giant skeletons existed because former Smithsonian
trustees have admitted to their wrong-doing. And the Smithsonian was taken to court for this back in 2010. The guy who brought the Smithsonian to court for this won the case.
And just because you weren't made aware of this is no big deal because this type of thing is always announced on a small scale because the establishment doesn't admit to wrong-doing on a wide public scale. I see this all the time.(Like did you know that D.A.R.E. took cannabis off its list of 'gateway drugs? Or did you know that Georgia has legalized medical cannabis? Probably not,because these things are not going to be announced in the headlines in a major way. It will be in a very quiet manner.)
I saw the guy who sued the Smithsonian and he had the giant femur bone that the Smithsonian trustee owned and who passed away back in the 1930s and in his will and on his deathbed he felt very guilty for taking part in the Smithsonian's cover-ups. This was basically what won the case for the guy suing the Smithsonian was the legal document of the will.
https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/smithsonian-admits-to-destruction-of-th...

Yes Malisa is absolutely correct. Many giants both male and female were found during excavations of the "indian" mounds by the early settlers in USA. The Smithsonian were quick to hide the evidence because they couldn't accept them. Typical disbelieving "scientists"!!!

Yes Malisa is absolutely correct. Many giants both male and female were found during excavations of the "indian" mounds by the early settlers in USA. The Smithsonian were quick to hide the evidence because they couldn't accept them. Typical disbelieving "scientists"!!!

My question is this: if Sporri took some pictures of this finger which also contained a banknote, why are we not shown those? The picture which you've included shows nothing that we can use for comparison to see how large it is.

ancient-origins's picture

Maybe the background sofa could be used as a reference. It doesn't look zoomed in. Just a thought!

I don't think enough of the sofa is shown for that to be of any use - because the photo is tight and the top of the back of the sofa isn't shown, it's impossible to say in fact, whether the photo is zoomed in or not. I do a fair amount of photography myself - so, just saying...
sorry, I know many readers WANT to believe this is real, but a good researcher always makes sure these kinds of questions don't even come up. That makes me tend not to be trusting, when too much is left open to question.

ancient-origins's picture

i agree with you Raelin that a researcher should always make all kinds of questions from all different perspectives.

Yes, and I think that when your authors don't do their work thoroughly enough, it ends up unfortunately being a discredit to your publication in the eyes of those who are all too eager to find reasons to do so. I'd like to see you protect yourselves better, in the interest of these deeply fascinating and puzzling cases getting better treatment!

Alright, I did an image search and found the picture with the banknote, at http://www.messagetoeagle.com/giantfingeregypt.php
So, my question goes back to the author, nonetheless, why not just use that photo to begin with?

... that's what the second image here is of.

Tsurugi's picture

Err...the photo with the banknote is included in the article.

Take a better look it is in the picture.

You're replying to a comment I made over a year ago, and when the article was first posted, the picture with the bank note was not with the article. That picture was added in after I (and perhaps others) raised the issue.

The article is very interesting and very possible.
However, the author, Annemieke Witteveen, makes a reference of comparison "Torah (Talmud)" which is incorrect.

If the author would have researched as well as Sporri had, he would have learned that the "Talmud" is an oral Rabbinical interpretation of the Torah, and the two are not the same.

How much research id you do before commenting? If you had done as much or as little as you seem to think the author did. Perhaps you would have found that the Talmud is actually a series of writings on the Mishna.

Did not id.

Giants have not been definitively proven to have existed, but neither have they been definitively disproven to have existed. 

archaeologyrocks

:) I guess you could say that about a lot things, including aliens, which I do believe likely exist, and I certainly don't DISbelieve in Giants! I'd love to see some proof that they did! From what I've read in discussions of Gigantopithecus, this creature wasn't thought to be able to walk bipedally: "The majority view is that the weight of such a large, heavy animal would put enormous stress on the creature's legs, ankles, and feet if it walked bipedally; while if it walked on all four limbs, like gorillas, its weight would be better distributed over each limb." From the Wikipedia article on Gigantopithecus, section Characteristics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus#Characteristics Citations are not given for this section, so no way to check other literature.
I'm not a physical anthropologist, so I don't know enough to discuss the matter in a fully informed fashion, however, I am a person who believes that the burden of proof lies on the person making the assertion, and therefore I tend to expect that such proof should be forthcoming! I'm not a skeptic in the modern meaning of the word (and modern skeptics usually express intent to "debunk", but having read some of their writings, it seems more like their intent is to ridicule and smear. I often see approaches to debunking that seem to be more along the lines of character assassination!

Where exactly is your definitive proof,that giants never existed ?
It seems as though there is enough evidence world wide,to say they may have been a possibility. So where is this definately proven to be false ?

Seems a good artist could make this from an animal leg bone, skin from a cow or other animal, mummified with chemicals. There really was no proof that the X-ray was the said finger.

300$ to hold it and take pictures! A fortune to be made for a poor farmer.

Also the nail could be a sliver from a horse or animal hoof, it looks built to me.

Question

I remember I saw  a documentary for human evolution. They said that there were humans with height above 230 cm, but they lived before Homo Sapiens. Maybe these are the giants which are saying

I'm seeing this new photo has been posted, but it also occurs to me to raise the possibility that it could have been photoshopped, withal.
Evidence, evidence, evidence, evidence!
If you are going to publish allegations like this from persons purporting to have made extraordinary finds, you need to demand evidence, and not publish until it has been supplied. Otherwise you're only damaging your reputation.

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Sorry, I think you're missing the point here. The articles written here do not in any way set out to "prove" or "disprove" anything. This is not a scientific paper.
It presents a curious story told by a man who has photos supporting his tale, including photos of various official authenticity documents and an x-ray. Yes, all of it could be photoshopped. Anyone whose worldview violently recoils from the idea of ancient giants is thus spared any anxiety that they might have to change their mind about it. They can declare hoax by Adobe, sneer at us gullible idiots, and leave secure in the knowledge that they still know everything there is to know.
After they depart, the rest of us can discuss the possibilities and exchange ideas and observations. No one will care what that "Skeptic" thought, any more than he would care what we think.
As for writing the articles to please such people, the only possible way to do that, would be to not write the articles.

Most things can be given the "dismissal debunking", where anything anomalous is dismissed rather than considered. The photos were photoshopped. The video was CG. The papers were forged. The skeleton was fake, the UFO was a Chinese Lantern, the psychic had foreknowledge of the situation, the samples were contaminated, where's your degree in this field.
Such dismissal is easy in the "Skeptic's" mind, because it is the only possible answer and thus requires no evidence to support it, it is self-evident.
That kind of unscientific attitude is practically impossible to work with, so why bother?

Now that I've written this lengthy reply, it occurs to me that you may be a "concern troll". Some of the things you have said are very much like what a concern troll does...but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. For now.

LOL - I've never been called a troll before in my life, let alone a concern troll! I am not a debunker (can't stand them, actually). I consider myself a skeptic in the original sense of the word. In fact, I am even a tentative believer in a number of so called "paranormal" phenomena - I believe what's often called paranormal is just the normal that hasn't been verified or quantified yet. And I do believe that giants are possible (to a point, physiological characteristics could be a limiting factor). So, I mean that anecdotal accounts are not sufficient for me to just jump up and put on my fervent believer hat. I bring up the things that I do because when I see debate about the veracity of a find of some kind, I want to see a debate that's informed by curiosity and open-minded inquiry, but also by a healthy dose of skepticism. Skepticism, when I was young, was never given to mean debunking. It's unfortunate that debunkers have co-opted the term - to legitimize what they do, I suppose, and try to convince everyone that they're being scientific and open-minded. What they're doing, however, is hanging out at kind of the opposite end of the spectrum from the tin-foil hat crowd - they're just as fanatic and definitely not being any more scientific than the TFHers. I normally like to express a combination of curiosity and conjecture mixed with questioning what I'm being shown rigorously. I'm not a scientist by profession, but I come from a family full of engineers and scientists, and I was trained to think rigorously by family example. What happens, though, when I see people largely just accepting what they're looking at at face value, I start taking the counterbalance role, I guess you could call it. If this is not a page where questioning of that nature is accepted, I guess I should just mosey along to somewhere where people are more open to that.

Tsurugi's picture

Great reply!

I believe questioning such as you described is accepted here. No need to leave. I apologize for the troll remark. I didn't actually say you were a troll; just that it looked possible, but that I'd give ya the benefit of the doubt.

I'm glad you're a true skeptic and not a "debunker"(or as they are sometimes called, "a big 'S' Skepdick"), and I agree that anecdotes do not constitute hard evidence.

Still, I stand by my previous statement in the sense that there is value in certain anecdotal tales, and lack of hard evidence supporting those stories does not mean they shouldn't be told or that AE risks credibility in posting them.

Lots of true events have no supporting evidence. But the reason why they still should be told is because supporting evidence may pop up in the future, or if they fit an archetype, or any number of reasons.

The specific tale in this article is not singular. It is one among many thousands of similar tales, from newspapers, journals, private correspondences released to the public, and of course mythology, legend, and direct statements from members of indigenous peoples around the world. It has plenty of company...which is part of what makes it interesting, despite lack of hard evidence.

Part of the difficulty of studying fringe subjects is you're bound to take in a lot of hogwash in the search for information. But you've got to take it in, because it isn't clear what is false and what is not. If the history of the advancement of knowledge has shown us anything, it is that we should be aware that 90% of what we consider to be true will probably be discarded as false in the next hundred years, in ten years we will take for granted things that are unimaginable today, and what seems least likely to be true often turns out to be absolutely true, despite Occam and his razor.

Anyway...sorry again, hope you stick around, hehe.

This hand axe found during the diggings done by the horticulture dept . at a depth of nearly 2 mtrs is huge requiring a grip of humans having heights ranging from 10-15 ft.The find was in Jahan Panah Forest area of South Delhi India in the year 2001-2 It was published in Times of India in the years 2000,2001 . Contact : hmaheshwary at the rate of yahoo dot co dot in . Face Book/Harsh V Maheshwary /Former associate prof .Delhi Univ

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there's too much evidence to discount it. Of course what is meant by "giant" comes into play. Here I mean people whose average height was greater than 7.5 feet

Regarding large creatures which if they had existed giants would be amongst them, I heard that the eye functions so well at the size of our own eye that large creatures such as elephants, whales and dinosaurs needed eyes of only our size or not much bigger. That would mean if giants existed their eyes need only be tiny in comparison to their body size, giving them dramatically different features to our own. nature wouldn't make them bigger than necessary. We don't hear of that in the legends and that's another reason I believe they are a creature of myth, just a scaled-up version of ourselves.
Some believe the myth was created to explain the construction of large stone monoliths.

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With all the discoveries how can they deny the fact?

I find the subject of giants very interesting, but I decided some time back that the notion that the Smithsonian was hoarding & hiding large numbers of ‘giant’ skeletons was really not a serious concept. If that is not happening there would be a skeleton or 2 in a museum somewhere by now, since the numbers of reported supposed giant ‘discoveries’ seem to be escalating, and there are far too many for the fact to be hidden !  I know that ‘giantism’ happens, but that is a known disease, not a different species.  

Veronica

A very readable and absorbing article. One small point - the Nephilim were cited as 'the Sons of God' in the Old Testament who mated with human females to produce offspring. These children were the giants referred to here, and they were actually known as the Naphidem, according to Hebrew scholars. They had to be 'removed from the earth' because they caused so much havoc and carnage. The Nephilim seemed to have been regarded as beautiful, advanced beings with supernatural qualities, according to a number of apocryphal sources, whereas the Naphidem were described as 'monsters'.

Relics like this usually are faked to make money from people. And yes they can easily be faked , and appear real where and when you want to believe they are genuine. I seem to remember that the Piltdown Man was held to be genuine by science for many years....and was far more dificult to fake, but we have to remember just how very skilled egyptian craftsmen have been these past few millenia!

This finger was not ever delivered to the Cairo Museum for examination, when its owner certainly would have taken it there himself at some point, and the argument that without it the family would lose a means of income hardly stands up, if all you are going to do is show it to a single solitary tourist once in a blue moon now, does it. Plus you needs must pay thoose who tip off searchers and make the arrangements, and is there anybody else coming forward with the same story? NO. so that's that then

Me, I'm not too sceptical, and I fail to understand how it is that the masses of photos of giants from Israel, captioned usually in Hebrew, that litter you tube are not under discussion here!

lets get one thing straight...a 7 or 8 feet giant is not the same as a 35 feet giant..7 or 8 feet people are alive now.and not weird at all ...stop saying these examples are the same...the mystery lies in the 35 feet giant referenced in old text. Is it possible? who knows not enough proof has been presented to make it a fact.. it is interesting though...Because there has been found enough proof to make it thought provoking.

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